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Posted by Joe Moore on 04-22-2009 01:44 AM:

Scoreable Tree Question

Ok, Here is my question.
Say Dog A is treed and before the time is up he leaves the tree and is minused. The 125 minuses him out of the hunt. So Dog A handler is sent to get his dog. Dog A returns to the tree and handler gets to the tree, the handler is shining the tree just to see what his dog has. While the handler is shining the tree Dog B comes in and starts treeing on that tree, so Handler of Dog B trees his dog on that tree. Can that tree be scored?

Posted by Bill(Chew) on 04-22-2009 01:53 AM:

Yes, The tree has not been previously scored.

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Posted by Brandon Coselman on 04-22-2009 04:05 AM:

Handler A should NOT of been sent to handle his dog during the hunt time... For that reason... by going to get the dog he has interfered with the other dogs in the cast!!! If i was the judge he would have been wrote up for "unsportsmen like conduct"

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Posted by WILD DOG on 04-22-2009 04:55 AM:

once a dog has been scratched, or withdrawn the handler can go to retrieve his dog.
You do not have to wait untill time out is called if you are scratched or withdrawn from the cast.
Granted if dogs were that close I would have asked him to wait just a min as to not interfer with the dogs that were close. and he should not have been shining the tree.
But he is allowed to get his dog and did not do anything unsportsman like

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Posted by Brandon Coselman on 04-22-2009 03:28 PM:

HE WOULD NOT OF DONE IT IN MY CAST!!!!

Posted by TREMOR on 04-22-2009 04:40 PM:

"So Dog A handler is sent to get his dog." if he was sent to get his dog, how was he unsportsman like ??? The way that it is writen he was sent to get his dog, if the judge tells me to go get my dog that is what i am going to do. just curious..

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Posted by Brandon Coselman on 04-22-2009 04:47 PM:

Just saying that it should of been done that way!

Posted by WILD DOG on 04-22-2009 08:08 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by HardcoreKennels
HE WOULD NOT OF DONE IT IN MY CAST!!!!

I would like to know which rule you are going to use to stop it?

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Posted by GA DAWG on 04-22-2009 08:14 PM:

Its just talk Wild dog. Aint nothing he can do..If mines scratched or withdrawn.I'm going to get it PERIOD!!!!!!!

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Posted by Cody Carroll on 04-22-2009 09:23 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
Its just talk Wild dog. Aint nothing he can do..If mines scratched or withdrawn.I'm going to get it PERIOD!!!!!!!

yeah. i mean what are they gonna do, scratch you? lol

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Posted by Autumn Clements on 04-22-2009 09:52 PM:

Hes interfering by leaving his dog out there hunting.
If I withdrew I'd be going to get my dog regardless to what the other dogs are doing.

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Posted by on 04-22-2009 10:34 PM:

It is common courtesy to stay with the cast until the clock stops. You weren't to worried to have your dog loose before you minused out. Why are you all of the sudden afraid to let your dog run loose? Pick it up after the clock stops.

Posted by elvis on 04-22-2009 11:27 PM:

a formal complaint can and should be filed against a handler who interferes with other dogs without the judges permission after he is scratched.

Posted by wayne f on 04-22-2009 11:45 PM:

a was sent to handle his dog i imagine if he was sent it was by the judge so how can he be written up for unsportsman like conduct i would really like an answer to that one

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Posted by elvis on 04-22-2009 11:53 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by wayne f
a was sent to handle his dog i imagine if he was sent it was by the judge so how can he be written up for unsportsman like conduct i would really like an answer to that one

in this situation add the judges name on the formal complaint. If he dont have more scruples than that he shouldnt be judgeing.

ps. was he also told to shine the tree to see what his scratched dog had up the tree? i doubt it.

Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 04-23-2009 12:12 AM:

6b in another kc rulebook

Posted by GA DAWG on 04-23-2009 02:36 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
It is common courtesy to stay with the cast until the clock stops. You weren't to worried to have your dog loose before you minused out. Why are you all of the sudden afraid to let your dog run loose? Pick it up after the clock stops.

Yall must do things different up north.I'll be danged if I minus out,withdraw or am scratched if I'm just gonna let my dog roam loose for another 1hr or so..Matter of fact that dont even make since! It could do more harm than good!!!

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Posted by Joe Moore on 04-23-2009 02:50 AM:

I can't really see where trhis would be unsportsman like, but who knows. This never hapened in one of my casts, but was brought up, after a dog did minus out for that reason. Thats why I asked. I'm not really sure how a judge can tell someone after their dog is scratched that they can't shine a tree?

Posted by amcnhunter on 04-23-2009 03:46 AM:

You can cry with a formal complaint all you want...Once your scratched...your no longer in the hunt your just considered a bystander...And he has the right to get his dog but he should have waited for the clock to stop...Myself if i would have been the judge i would have asked him to wait..

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Posted by WILD DOG on 04-23-2009 04:52 AM:

why not wait untill the clock is stopped?
here is why,,
this dog is no longer part of the cast.
and when the dogs hunting in a nite hunt get with other dogs time out is to be called.
If this dog runs and trees with your dogs you cant score it,
you have to call time out when dogs in the cast are determined to be with other dogs..

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Posted by Steve Raleigh on 04-23-2009 05:13 PM:

there is nothing you can do...if a mans dog is scratched or withdrawn the right to retrieve his hound is his right...weather you like it or not, its just like any other rule you may disagree with....

Just like in this situation: "The situation came up toward the end of the hunt, we had just scored my dog's tree plus, there were two dogs treed and one on track, the judge told me I had to turn loose. I told him about the rule and he started to get upset and told me to turn loose or I was scratched, I pulled the article out of my pocket and and showed it to him. "

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Posted by elvis on 04-23-2009 11:01 PM:

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there is nothing you can do...if a mans dog is scratched or withdrawn the right to retrieve his hound is his right...weather you like it or not, its just like any other rule you may disagree with....

I disagree
you are still a member of that cast even if your dog is scratched, and should conduct yourself in a manner so as not to interfere with other hounds and handlers. At the first realistic opertunity, the judge should allow you to pick up your dog and withdraw from the cast if you so choose.
Just to wade in with an attitude to get your dog is grounds for a formal complaint being filed against you, in my opinion.

Posted by jda on 04-23-2009 11:32 PM:

is there much of a difference between this situation ,and lets say a dog runs a deer,the other 3 dogs in the cast are running a coon ,within 100yds..the handler of the dog that is running the deer scratches his dog and takes off running and yelling at that dog..right beside the dogs open on a coon and he wont stop from yelling and running after his dog..what do you do with this handler..pretty much the same situation...i do have the official ruling .

Posted by Brandon Coselman on 04-23-2009 11:38 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by elvis
I disagree
you are still a member of that cast even if your dog is scratched, and should conduct yourself in a manner so as not to interfere with other hounds and handlers. At the first realistic opertunity, the judge should allow you to pick up your dog and withdraw from the cast if you so choose.
Just to wade in with an attitude to get your dog is grounds for a formal complaint being filed against you, in my opinion.

I SECOND THAT...

Posted by WILD DOG on 04-23-2009 11:45 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by jda
is there much of a difference between this situation ,and lets say a dog runs a deer,the other 3 dogs in the cast are running a coon ,within 100yds..the handler of the dog that is running the deer scratches his dog and takes off running and yelling at that dog..right beside the dogs open on a coon and he wont stop from yelling and running after his dog..what do you do with this handler..pretty much the same situation...i do have the official ruling .

trying to gather a dog off a deer track is ALOT different than gathering a dog off a tree..
according to UKC there is a difference
registered cast..
dog runs deer =minus
dog trees coon =plus
nite ch cast..
dog runs deer= scratched
dog trees coons= plus
Unless I missed it the situation in the post the guy just went and got his dog off of a tree.
And according to the ukc honor rules
once this dog is no longer part of the cast if the other dogs get with him time out is to be called immediatly..
The handler is still part of the cast and retains his vote but the dog is no longer part of the cast and rule 8 addresses what to do when dogs get with dogs not in the cast

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