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Posted by Allen / UKC on 03-26-2009 09:40 PM:

How Would You Score?

Q: Dogs A, B, C and D are declared struck and treed in that order. The cast moves in and finds the dogs are all treeing around a hole. The judge orders the handlers to handle all dogs. Dog A is handled and on the lead. Before B, C and D can be handled the coon bails out of the hole and takes off with B, C and D hot on its tail. How do you score?

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Posted by Dan Dogs on 03-26-2009 09:44 PM:

circle dog A both ways. minus the others tree points. edit lol

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Posted by jeffrey robinso on 03-26-2009 09:49 PM:

I think you would have to circle dog A because he was handled at the hole and minus dogs B, C, and D their tree point because they left the hole before they were handled, I don't think you can plus the coon even if all the cast members see the coon leave the hole because official shining time has not been started and you would have to turn turn dog A back to dogs B, C, and D if they are not treed before you finish scoring dog A's tree.

Posted by josh tetting on 03-26-2009 09:51 PM:

yeah

i'd say dan dogs has it. + A minus B,C,D for leaving the tree and dog A can cut back into B,C,and D. Man that would stink. its happened to me where the 5 was up walked into the tree. fumbled with the leash a little and bam my dogs gone. took it in the a@@ on that one she was split.....

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Posted by Allen / UKC on 03-26-2009 09:52 PM:

The coon was in fact seen bailing out of the hole by all members of the cast.

Posted by Coon Commander on 03-26-2009 09:52 PM:

i would say all 4 dogs would receive plus strike and tree points according to how they were struck and treed in for the hole, because coon was seen.
after that i dont know what i would do if holding the card. Maybe cut dog A back loose to the other dogs, but that would be unfair in a way cause he would be last strike. I would split strike points 4 ways and then if dogs not treed yet wait for the tree calls. However since the coon would tree quick if he wasnt caught on ground the dogs would probably tree real quick so i suppose you would have to split tree 4 ways too.
Lot happening real quick

Posted by Dan Dogs on 03-26-2009 09:54 PM:

Re: yeah

quote:
Originally posted by josh tetting
i'd say dan dogs has it. + A minus B,C,D for leaving the tree and dog A can cut back into B,C,and D. Man that would stink. its happened to me where the 5 was up walked into the tree. fumbled with the leash a little and bam my dogs gone. took it in the a@@ on that one she was split.....

NOPE, i'm wrong, they had to start the shinning time so A would get circled if there wasn't another coon in the hole..i must of got caught up in the excitement on the first post!!!LOL

Posted by GA DAWG on 03-26-2009 10:06 PM:

Re: Re: yeah

quote:
Originally posted by Dan Dogs
NOPE, i'm wrong, they had to start the shinning time so A would get circled if there wasn't another coon in the hole..i must of got caught up in the excitement on the first post!!!LOL

Yep A is circled unless another coon is scored...All other minused their tree points.

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Posted by Dogwhisper on 03-26-2009 10:08 PM:

Rule 3.POINTS WILL BE PLUS:
(b)
"When dog is declared struck and treed and coon is seen other than in tree dog declared treed to receive strike and tree points."

The fact that the other dogs took off is irrevelaant to A's scoring.
After all, they were all ordered to handle all dogs.

Posted by Steve Gilland on 03-26-2009 10:13 PM:

Plus the strike on all dogs. Delete the tree points call a time out and gather all the dogs. What a scenario!! Whats the answer Allen? Its killing me!!!

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Posted by josh on 03-26-2009 10:16 PM:

A gets + .

Posted by steveburch on 03-26-2009 10:51 PM:

+ um

+ um all if there is a ? let the MOH settle it.

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Posted by masterd1976 on 03-26-2009 10:55 PM:

You would minus b,c,d on tree. Shine the hole and hope another coon is in there. Shine time had not yet started. If the hole comes to an end that you can see then you would minus dog a. If the hole makes a curve or you can not see the end of it then you would circle it. That would be my luck.

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Posted by Keith Hodge on 03-26-2009 10:55 PM:

I say you plus them all tree and strike call time out then catch dogs.I dont see how you could minus a dog for leaving the tree when it is chasing the coon that was there. I am not real sure though.

Posted by mark brown on 03-26-2009 10:58 PM:

plus

plus them all. They were all declared treed.

Dogs bailed out after coon after handlers were told to handle them.

This is where reason and judgement should be used.

Call time out to round up dogs. Not fair to score coon because Dog A is on a leash. Start the one hour .

What dumbbutt would not want his hound to recieve credit for showing the coon, even if the circumstances were odd?

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Posted by jda on 03-26-2009 11:02 PM:

dans dogs second post is correct i would think...

Posted by Ashby Nuckols on 03-26-2009 11:07 PM:

Dog A shall receive circle strike and tree, you have to ignore the fact that you saw the coon because the coon was not seen during shining time. The dogs that left the hole should be minused tree points because if they were declared treed they must stay there. Dog A should be recast to dogs B,C,and D. This would be a hard one to accept but by the rules a dog must hold tree position to be scored once declared treed. The coon was not caught on the ground, he was just in place of refuge. This would be no different then a coon bailing out of a tree before you get there.

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Posted by SFWALKER on 03-26-2009 11:08 PM:

how can you minus a dog for doing exactly what it is supposed to do?? jmo. i would say + all dogs. call timeout and gather dogs. The shining time hadn't started, but what if this was the same situation with a coon in a tree and it bailed right before the shining time started and everyone saw it??? i'm curious to know what the answer is.

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Posted by SFWALKER on 03-26-2009 11:10 PM:

if these dogs are to recieve minus for leaving the declared tree chasing a coon that was seen by the entire cast, i think some rules need to be changed!!!

Posted by Rip on 03-26-2009 11:11 PM:

Well if the coon bails and shine time hasn't started I know how it is handled, unless another coon or place of refuge is seen in that tree that is a minus tree. You can not score the tree/coon before shine time is started, so even if the cast seen the coon bail you got 10 minutes after shine time is started to find another coon or den or you are minused. I remember that advisor.

The curve ball here is the dogs leaving after being told to be handled, but before being handled.

Todd wrote an advisor on it a few years ago (90's sometime?)on a tree and the answer would be the same, but I can't remember the answer LOL.

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Posted by SFWALKER on 03-26-2009 11:21 PM:

rip

im not disagreeing or agreeing with anyone, just trying to understand this . those may be the rules, but the whole point of the competition is for the dogs to tree coons. if a coon bails out of a tree after all dogs are handled before the shining time has started and ALL of the cast sees it, i would think the rules would need to change and make an exception in a case like this. JMO though.

Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 03-26-2009 11:25 PM:

scratch b.c,d if there treeing around hole and let
a coon get away

Posted by GA DAWG on 03-26-2009 11:34 PM:

Well from a handlers stand point..I like alot of yalls answers but they have to be wrong..No way in the world you can + B,C,D...Where the crap is JIM on this? He will know!!!

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Posted by grwaskom on 03-26-2009 11:38 PM:

CIRCLE ALL DOGS AS THEY WHERE ALL TREED AT HOLE. THEN START 1 HR TO CATCH REMAINING DOGS

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Posted by copperheadcreek on 03-26-2009 11:48 PM:

dog a either gets + or circle. 3 other dogs get - on tree because they left the tree before they were handled.
IMO a gets + because the coon was seen and he was handled and the whole cast saw coon

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