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Posted by coondog43515 on 03-21-2009 04:02 PM:

score this

3 dog cast all dogs struck and treed . go into tree one dog treeing and 2 dogs chewing on dead nasty old coon 20 feet from tree.

Posted by pettet on 03-21-2009 04:28 PM:

COON IN THE TREE?

Posted by coondog43515 on 03-21-2009 04:47 PM:

no coon was rotten on ground 20 feet away dead along time

Posted by huntingwalkers9 on 03-21-2009 04:51 PM:

plus strike points

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Posted by MikeO on 03-21-2009 04:55 PM:

minus strike and tree of both dogs chewing on rotten coon.

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Posted by masterd1976 on 03-21-2009 04:58 PM:

quote:
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minus strike and tree of both dogs chewing on rotten coon.

Minus tree can't minus strike unless its off game. even if it is rotten it is still a coon.

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Posted by mrbluedog on 03-21-2009 05:03 PM:

Score that dog that is on Tree. Minus the other 2's Tree and plus there strike a coon is a coon.

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Posted by masterd1976 on 03-21-2009 05:05 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by mrbluedog
Score that dog that is on Tree. Minus the other 2's Tree and plus there strike a coon is a coon.

can't plus a rotten coon.

Posted by MikeO on 03-21-2009 05:11 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by masterd1976
Minus tree can't minus strike unless its off game. even if it is rotten it is still a coon.

ok, i was just going by the dogs quit the track they were struck in on. so minus both ways because they quit both track and tree.

Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 03-21-2009 05:15 PM:

minus both ways the dogs left the tree to find a rotten
coon they didnt trail that 1 in

Posted by josh tetting on 03-21-2009 05:19 PM:

umm

score the dog that is on the tree minus the two dogs for leaving
and plus there strike just like if they caught one on the ground

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Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 03-21-2009 05:28 PM:

dont thank they were struck back in before the 3rd bark.
delete move on

Posted by on 03-21-2009 05:42 PM:

Dead animals cannot be scored on. Dead animals, in terms of the rules, do not exist. Those two dogs are scored as having left the tree.

Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 03-21-2009 05:47 PM:

what about if old blue had been on a dead possum Jim?

Posted by huntingwalkers9 on 03-21-2009 05:53 PM:

gotcha

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Posted by on 03-21-2009 05:53 PM:

Same answer.

I would think the judge would need to determine a fresh kill from something dead before the dog found it because if my dog walks in with a warm possum in her mouth, I'm thinking she should be scratched (NtCh rules) or minused (reg.rules). But when Allen answered the dead deer post last week, he just flat stated you cannot score a dead animal....period.

Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 03-21-2009 05:57 PM:

thanks looks like the word ANY needs to be changed

Posted by josh tetting on 03-21-2009 08:33 PM:

ohh yeah

i forgot about the srike back in part. yeah minus tree delete and move on

Posted by GA DAWG on 03-21-2009 08:38 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
Dead animals cannot be scored on. Dead animals, in terms of the rules, do not exist. Those two dogs are scored as having left the tree.

And then what? You stand there and put the 8 on them?

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Posted by coondog43515 on 03-22-2009 03:09 AM:

my dog was the one on the tree.we took this back to master of hounds and it was decided that all dogs were to be circled
by the master of hounds.it was a den tree.

Posted by ringtail on 03-22-2009 04:08 AM:

cruelity to animals........

them 2 dogs were hungry & u guys wanting to minuse them should be arrested...... LOL HA HA HAAAH HA (JK)

food for thought or discussion...........

here it goes..
'ole slick (dog a): minus tree, plus strike........

depends on answers about 'ole breakfast & lunch (dogs b & c).....

did b & c quit treeing & start chewing?
did b & c continue (barking) treed while they chewed?

if they quit treeing to chew, was the clock put on them? why not?

if they quit treeing to chew: minus both ways (they left the tree)

if they never quit (barking) treed while they chewed: minus tree, plus strike

a dead deer is not off game and a dead coon is not a coon........

breakfast & lunch apparently didn't quit treeing while they chewed or the clock would have got them, so u can't say they were ever on the tree w/ slick.. therefore the dead coon would be the same as if they were treed in a 2 foot post hole or a empty 5 gallon bucket.........

what do ya think JiM, will this pass the smell test? or should handlers (b & c) feed breaksfast & lunch before the next hunt??????

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Posted by Stone3 on 03-22-2009 04:32 AM:

Well I would think you would score the dog on the tree acordingly. Plus the two dogs strike points and delete the dogs tree points just as they would be done in the case of catching game on the ground.

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Posted by ringtail on 03-22-2009 08:18 AM:

Stone......

quote:
Originally posted by Stone3
....just as they would be done in the case of catching game on the ground.

u can't do it...... UKC has said that dead animals are not considered game (and I agree with that)....

so dead deer is not off game, therefore u can't scratch a NtCH for chewing on a dead deer (molesting off game)...... a dead coon (unless it is fresh kill) is not game.... the coon in this scenerio was rotten, so u can't score it as game caught on the ground........

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Posted by MikeO on 03-22-2009 08:57 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by coondog43515
my dog was the one on the tree.we took this back to master of hounds and it was decided that all dogs were to be circled
by the master of hounds.it was a den tree.

by what you have described thats the wrong ruling.

Posted by evan ashley on 03-23-2009 08:26 AM:

what is the difference between a dead coon from two days ago and a fresh kill it is still dead and there for you can't score a dead animal. so i guess i need to teach my dog to bay the coon if she catches it on the ground and not kill it.

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