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Posted by derek90 on 02-07-2009 02:08 AM:

treed in holes

what do yall do if your dog trees in a hole? try to break them or reward them like a tree?

Posted by mike long on 02-07-2009 02:43 AM:

I break me off a stick theres not much I hate more than to walk to a hole. I dont comp hunt so circles dont do me any good

Posted by Les Young on 02-07-2009 03:11 AM:

I show them what tritronics is made for lol

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Posted by skiesthalimit on 02-07-2009 03:12 AM:

what

they put a coon in a hole smoke it out n let the dog finish in a tree some holes r tricky but theyll come out n ur dogs should pick the track close 2 th e entering of the hole

Posted by GA DAWG on 02-07-2009 05:31 AM:

This another thing I hate...In my part of the country..A dog baying in a hole is mostly a bad thing..Nothing good can come of it..I whip and let the tritronics work on em..I dont care if 5 coons are in there!

Posted by HrdStrknKennels on 02-07-2009 12:17 PM:

these mountains are way too steep to walk to a hole

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Posted by Shelby D. Sawyers on 02-07-2009 01:47 PM:

Holes

I said this before and I will say it again... You want a dog too track and have the coon !!! How does the dog make a coon go up a tree? If my dog has the power to talk the coon into going up a tree in stead of a hole. I want the the coon talked into coming to the road so I can set in the pickup and watch the fight !!! I hear people talking about whooping and shocking dogs off a hole.. That dog just caught the coon, what you wanted him to do.. RIGHT ? Be glad the coon is caught. My dogs are trained to track and have the coon and to stay with the coon tell I get there, and I don't give sh^t if it's in a cave.. Stupidous thing I've ever heard.. Make up your mind do you want the dog to have the coon or not ?? {just on your conditions right}

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Posted by Richard Nethery on 02-07-2009 02:25 PM:

Find out whats in the Hole before you punish or praise your hound. DUH!

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Posted by john Duemmer on 02-07-2009 02:26 PM:

I agree 100% anybudy who shocks there dog when the coon goes in a hole oughta be shocked themselves. Some people just got no common sense. and all this complaining about walking somewhere baffles me to , if your to lazy to walk to your dogs keep your lazy fat a** home on the couch.

Posted by HOBO on 02-07-2009 02:32 PM:

I haven't put one in a hole in the ground for years now.....

One of the last tracks we did put in a hole ended up not being a coon. I was hunting a couple of young dogs and one old dog. They struck a track burnt it up and stayed treed in the hole. When we got to them my buddy said I bet we can run him out of that hole. He finds a long skinny sapling and cuts it off. We notice another hole on the backside of where they are. He starts poking around in the hole yelling WATCH that other hole I feel it..... WATCH THAT OTHER HOLE I HEAR IT GROWLING!!!! WATCH THE HOLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEN HE YELLS SKUNK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!! I think he broke himself from poking around in a hole. LOL

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Posted by Plottluvr on 02-07-2009 02:39 PM:

Re: Holes

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Originally posted by Shelby D. Sawyers
I said this before and I will say it again... You want a dog too track and have the coon !!! How does the dog make a coon go up a tree? If my dog has the power to talk the coon into going up a tree in stead of a hole. I want the the coon talked into coming to the road so I can set in the pickup and watch the fight !!! I hear people talking about whooping and shocking dogs off a hole.. That dog just caught the coon, what you wanted him to do.. RIGHT ? Be glad the coon is caught. My dogs are trained to track and have the coon and to stay with the coon tell I get there, and I don't give sh^t if it's in a cave.. Stupidous thing I've ever heard.. Make up your mind do you want the dog to have the coon or not ?? {just on your conditions right}

Well said.

Posted by PlottChaser on 02-07-2009 03:20 PM:

Re: Re: Holes

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Originally posted by Plottluvr
Well said.

I agree too! You want a coon dog or a tree dog? I want my dogs showing me the coon wherever it is. I carry a shovel and dig the dad gum thing out is what I do. I figure if my dog does his part and gets the coon cornered, I ought to do my part and dig it out. Much rather see a coondog with one in a hole than a tree dog treeing hard on a slick tree. What's next? You gonna whip a dog for treeing on a den tree, too?

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Posted by Rip on 02-07-2009 03:35 PM:

Dogs are smarter than most give them credit for.

A hole in the ground and a tree are NOT the same thing.

I break my dogs from treein in the ground. If you lived where I was raised up huntin you would too. The whole dang mountain is hollow. I have shot coons out and have them bounce one time and get in a hole before the dogs could get ahold of them, right under the same tree the treed in. You can't walk 100 yards without going by a rock hole big enough for coon to be gone. Those holes aren't shallow either, they run for miles under the ground and they are ROCK, you can't dig them out with a backhoe let alone a shovel. You ain't gettin that coon out and if you got a dog that fools with a hole you are likely to have a dead dog from gettin back in there and gettin hung etc. Happens all the time where I grew up, that's why we break them from the ground. They can't tree coon if they are dead in a hole somewhere.

It's not hard to do, you don't have to get radical with them. You just gotta be firm, tell them hole and switch them a little. It won't be long and they will locate the hole and go on.

If you don't have coon that live in the ground (around where I am now it's not a problem, but where I grew up it was awful) then it's not a big deal. But where I grew up if you didn't break the dogs from the ground you would go to more ground holes than trees. The coon there live in the ground (easy to see when you go caving). A couple of times a year is no big deal, if you live where they can get in the ground a couple of times a night you would change your tune.

And the dogs dang well know the difference in digging in the ground and treein up. Never had it effect how my dogs tree to have them broke from the ground.

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Posted by terra on 02-07-2009 04:02 PM:

HOLE OR NO HOLE

I dont care if the dog tree's on a flag pole as long as he's took the coon to the end of the track no matter where it is I wouldnt PUNISH HIM.

Posted by mudman on 02-07-2009 04:05 PM:

here is something to think of

Does he have a coon?? in that hole

or off game you dont know unless you dig it out thats why i dont lik emy dogs to put anything to a hole

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Posted by Shelby D. Sawyers on 02-07-2009 04:11 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Holes

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Originally posted by PlottChaser
I agree too! You want a coon dog or a tree dog? I want my dogs showing me the coon wherever it is. I carry a shovel and dig the dad gum thing out is what I do. I figure if my dog does his part and gets the coon cornered, I ought to do my part and dig it out. Much rather see a coondog with one in a hole than a tree dog treeing hard on a slick tree. What's next? You gonna whip a dog for treeing on a den tree, too?

Plottchaser, Easy what you ask'em. I have heard guys on here talking about whooping dogs off den trees !!! They Whoop them off holes , Dens , heavy leafed trees , Brush piles , Big Water ,.....
Poor dog looks the wrong way cut switch !!!! Then when the dog is too scared to go and tree a coon, They say sorry cull dog and shoot'em.. Makes a lot of since don't it ?

Posted by J_Williams on 02-07-2009 05:35 PM:

I totally agree with rip. A dog stuck in a hole isn't any good to me. We have a lot of holes around here that run deep. If a dog got stuck in one he ain't coming out easily. Shelby D. Sawyers I take it you haven't had a dog stuck in a hole before or knew anyone that has. I saw this link on here the other day http://www.wbir.com/news/green/stor...082&catid=2 .

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Posted by GA DAWG on 02-07-2009 05:47 PM:

I see now why we have so many chit eaters in the woods these days..People are affraid to whoop and correct a hound!!!!!!!!

Posted by mike long on 02-08-2009 12:10 AM:

sounds to me like i'll be walking to a tree (my dogs not a slick treeing idiot)while yall are playing with your holes. these dogs are bred to TREE coon not run them in holes, theres a post somewhere on here where a guys dog is stuck in a hole like 30 feet deep.so I'll keep my dog above ground

Posted by vt700guy on 02-08-2009 12:28 AM:

As one of the other posters said I guess it depends on where you live.

Around here we don't have big holes like the one in the link. We probably get in a hole 2-3 times a year so I'm not going to try to break my dog off holes.

Posted by Plottluvr on 02-08-2009 12:34 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
I see now why we have so many chit eaters in the woods these days..People are affraid to whoop and correct a hound!!!!!!!!

Really? Is that necessary? There is a difference in correcting a dog and beating it senseless for doing what you trained it to do.

Every time I read a post on here about a dog doin' something wrong all people have to say is beat the dog or shock the dog. It's a darn shame when that is the first thing people think of in order to TRAIN a dog. Beginning to think those dogs tree coon out of fear and not for the pleasure of pleasing their handlers.

I've smacked my dog for misbehaving but ONLY when it was something that was warranted. NOT for doing something that i trained her for. I tell you what...my dog listens pretty darn good. I tell her WAIT and that she stops on a dime and gives you change and that was done without beating her or shocking her.

Just because people have different methods to train their dogs doesn't mean they are inferior.

Posted by JustinM on 02-08-2009 12:40 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by john Duemmer
I agree 100% anybudy who shocks there dog when the coon goes in a hole oughta be shocked themselves. Some people just got no common sense. and all this complaining about walking somewhere baffles me to , if your to lazy to walk to your dogs keep your lazy fat a** home on the couch.

Whats common sense have to do with it? I do not quite get where you were headed with that. I have worked a dog in a hole abunch and he had enough common sense to not do it anymore. I tell you what I am out here coon hunting for enjoyment and I can tell you guys I definatly do not enjoy walking to a hole so I break them. I comp hunt also if someone thinks that matters.

quote:
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I see now why we have so many chit eaters in the woods these days..People are affraid to whoop and correct a hound!!!!!!!!

I agree with you here, crazy what some have posted on this topic in my mind.

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Posted by john Duemmer on 02-08-2009 01:13 AM:

Gotta wonder ? you guys who claim that you have broke your dogs from treeing in a hole exactly how does that dog decide when to tree and when to leave dodge before the juice hits him? How about a hole at the base of a tree? How about a hole in the side of a creek bank that goes up? And when these hole broke dogs do have one go in a hole what exactly are they supposed to do? come back to you so you can give em hell for quittin that track, How would you know the coon went in a hole and my hole broke dog did as i (trained) i mean shocked him to do? or if he just quit a track? No wonder theres so many screwed up dogs out there. COMMON SENSE

Posted by davebastean on 02-08-2009 02:06 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by john Duemmer
Gotta wonder ? you guys who claim that you have broke your dogs from treeing in a hole exactly how does that dog decide when to tree and when to leave dodge before the juice hits him? How about a hole at the base of a tree? How about a hole in the side of a creek bank that goes up? And when these hole broke dogs do have one go in a hole what exactly are they supposed to do? come back to you so you can give em hell for quittin that track, How would you know the coon went in a hole and my hole broke dog did as i (trained) i mean shocked him to do? or if he just quit a track? No wonder theres so many screwed up dogs out there. COMMON SENSE

I tend to agree. We have a variety of terrain her in MO. and some holes can be dug and others in rocky hills can't. I expect a dog to come to me out of the hole when I call so I can lead him away to strike a new track like leaving a hollow tree. If you shock a dog for treeing in the ground then they would need to try to strike a new track in a hurry to avoid taking a minus in a nite hunt.

Posted by catridgekennels on 02-08-2009 04:30 AM:

In the few years I've been huntin I've figured out that dogs are smarter than we like to think sometimes. If one has any sense they can learn that them ground holes bite and trees don't. They also can learn that comin back to the truck is unacceppable no matter what. My female put one in the creek bank tonight I'm pretty sure, and I caught her off a tree about a mile through the country with the meat. She did not tree the first track she ran, but she knows what happens at the truck when I've not called for her to come in.

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