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Pitching a dog

OK, I attend the hunts like everyone else, really enjoy the fellowship, but I prefer a good old pleasure hunt. One thing has been bothering me lately is the number of times I have heard "honest" handlers refer to pitching a dog...Hunters who are quick to take their minus, seem to play by all the rules, and would quickly call someone else out for cheating seem to think "pitching a dog in" is acceptable????
In my opinion pitching a dog = lying. We are supposed to call a dog for what it is doing at that time; not what we think it is doing or what we expect it to do. The advice I often hear given to new hunters is to "Just call your dog for what it does and don't worry about the rest", that is good advice, but how come some folks get away from that and start calling their dog for what they want it to do, need it to do, or think it is about to do.
I recently heard a good friend, that I thought I respected refer to "pitching a dog"...I lost alot of respect for this person.

I guess my question is; do you all see it the way I do? Is pitching a dog the same as telling a lie? or is it just knowing the rules well, or knowing your dog well enough to anticipate it's actions? honestly i doubt you will change my mind, but I do want to know what others in the coonhunting world think.

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i have done it .. i am not going to lie to anyone on here, but when i have done it is i have had a dog with a soft mouth and i cant hear him like i should so i have pitch him in there when i knew he should be in there or past there treed.. i dont think that is cheating yes we should call our dogs for what they do but a lot dont call there dog when they can hear it but just afraid too. to me that is just as bad as lieing to you..

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boy's i tell ya how it is. i'am not here to bs you. i'am here to hunt dogs and get you the most for your money.my door is open for anyone to come hunt, spend the night or the weekend i hunt hard and it shows in my dogs 317-494-1098 danny suttles

EVERYBODY GETS A MINUTE TO GET THEIR BABBLING DONE WITHOUT PENALTY YOU OUGHT TO GET A MINUTE TO PITCH YOURS LOL

After the minute if a dog barks 3 times a judge should ask for a call...as for treeing if a dog is treeing and someone won't tree it the judge can put 5 on the dog....There are procedures in place to eliminate that, but pitching is often done amidst a roar of other dogs when it is not easy for a judge to catch.

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"And let us not be weary in well doing, for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not." Gal. 6:9

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i've always had the loudest dog in the cast no matter what i was hunting, so i could never get by with pitching. if they ant loud, then they don't eat my dog food! i hate it when someone tries to do that. it is trying to gain underserved points!

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The one and only time I pitched my dog deep in the country, the judge turned around and ask who's dog that was standing behind us. That was the last time for me.

Another thing that I have noticed in some night hunts is peoples dog is treed and they think maybe there not right and are waiting (for another dog in most cases) to tree and someones elses dog hits the wood then the second dog is treed first and I have heard people act like the second person should not have treed there dog, or that they pitched there dog when actually they where just calling there dog for what it was doing!

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So far 5% of the voters think it is ok to cheat. I think I drew all 5% last year.LOL How is this not cheating,"I cant hear him but he must be in there, Tree him judge". LOL

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i have an extremly loud female english that can be heard above 90 percent of the hounds i have competed with well one hunt they got treed real deep over a mile away over the top of the mountain i heard her tree bark and struch her in was then going to tree her another in the cast imediatly struck and treed his dog i then treed mine when she was the only dog that souded at all that cost me high scoring female in an english sectionall as the dog struck and treed won high scoring female but wasn't an english hound.
later i asked the guy did you actualy hear your dog answer was i knew she was with your dog as she was all night

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i was on a cast one night and there was seconds to go and the fella called out "tree chief out of hearing". funniest thing i ever hear. we asked if he was out of hearing how do you know he was treed, he stated "well i meant i could hear him but knew yall wouldnt be able to."

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Originally posted by JiM
The one and only time I pitched my dog deep in the country, the judge turned around and ask who's dog that was standing behind us. That was the last time for me.

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tell ya what I hate is when you tree your dog an another dog grabs the wood and the man waits till the 5 runs down and at the last min trees his dog then brakes his neck to get to the tree, or when someone said's too you sounds like your hound throw a locate. If you say yes, bet your butt later in the hunt when your hound does it again that man will tree his dog infront of you.

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Pitching a dog

Makes my back hurt. I prefer the gut stomp.
I vote lying.

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An old friend of my grandfathers said lying is like being pregnent. It's either all or none. I guess he would say the same for cheating. Either you do or you don't. I know it sucks when people or dogs get points they don't deserve. I really hate babbling dogs.

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Originally posted by stormattack
done this myself jim!! i learned real quick too!!

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ok how is knowing your hound like the back of your hand and when you get drawn out with a dog with over powering mouth. you know your dog is treed or would be back so how is that cheating by gambleing if he is there or not ?? unless you walk close to hear all dogs.. then see what happens .. bet your bottom i will put my dog in there if i think he is in there.un like some people i know my dogs inside and out before i ever comp hunt one ..

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boy's i tell ya how it is. i'am not here to bs you. i'am here to hunt dogs and get you the most for your money.my door is open for anyone to come hunt, spend the night or the weekend i hunt hard and it shows in my dogs 317-494-1098 danny suttles

If the cast cannot hear the dog and the handler trees his dog a good judge should ask for the handler to pinpoint the dog or point in the direction he or she is treed. Then the whole cast knows the direction. If the dog moves minus plain and simple. Whether he is treeing or not if he is not treeing where the handler pointed he is minused.

Never kept a dog I could "pitch in" in a hunt. If I don't here
them I don't call them because they probably aren't with the other dogs. One thing I really hate is when someone trees
their dog with 2 seconds left in the hunt and their dog is tracking
hoping he hits a tree quick.

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dog that was bawl on track and straight chop on tree. the entire cast heard the hound on 2 trees during the hunt. the fellow needed a circle to win the cast, his hound is going deep straight away from the cast, 30 seconds left in the hunt he trees his hound. mind you this hound is still bawling on track and has never chopped. of course (according to the handler) the hound bawls on tree sometimes. the arguement started and almost got out of hand. finally the hound turned left and got minused. fortunatly I have not had the pleasure of hunting with this fellow again.

I call my dogs for what I think there doing. and that is how everyone should. I have seen to many peaple get nailed for pitching.and am happy when they get caught. jmo

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Originally posted by truebluefordman
ok how is knowing your hound like the back of your hand and when you get drawn out with a dog with over powering mouth. you know your dog is treed or would be back so how is that cheating by gambleing if he is there or not ?? unless you walk close to hear all dogs.. then see what happens .. bet your bottom i will put my dog in there if i think he is in there.un like some people i know my dogs inside and out before i ever comp hunt one ..

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Was on a three dog cast one night and had first strike. A young kid hunting in his first hunt (I hear) calls second strike, I tree mine then the judge out of no where calls his treed. I said " uh judge are you struck in?" he says yeah I had second strike. I never said a thing as I thought maybe I just didnt hear his call. After the hunt all the spectators told me they heard the kid call second strike as well. The kid said he was done with competition hunting after that. I was pretty mad at the judge but it was too late.

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no the judge do's not have it ... he has to place me where it be and wait or prove me wrong.. if 4 dogs are treeing and one is not asloud as the other three time runs out on tree then we see who is or is not treed. how many times have you seen all dogs treed walk in and one or more is 10-20 yards deeper they get retreed in on diff treepoints so who was pitching ?? i am not saying i do it hopeing my dog is there i call them for what they do but if i cant hear him for some odd reason and i know in my head he is there i will tree him but if i was wrong then i take it just like i should,, you will never hear me say i was cheated.. i have been out handled a time or too or 20 but a game is a game play it the best we can ,,walk away friends..

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boy's i tell ya how it is. i'am not here to bs you. i'am here to hunt dogs and get you the most for your money.my door is open for anyone to come hunt, spend the night or the weekend i hunt hard and it shows in my dogs 317-494-1098 danny suttles

Nothing makes me madder than someone striking or trying to tree my dog & the second thing is pitching & third is as they say borrowing a little strike. if i get the chance they're going to the truck. I also absolutley hate a babbler & i will break a dog from this & anyone else should too. also a dog that runs other dogs should be broke or culled in my opinion. if you draw me see if i hunt crap like that. I have a very good freind with a female thats never been beat on strike thats got a big amount of performance money won. the female can flat tree coon & will split, but the dog runningest thing that ever lived & i absolutley hate her almost granded out in three months & i wouldn'thunt her in noway. ok i'm done venting now lol.

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i dont like to play dirty but if the people i draw are doing it i will get in the mudd with them. im not gonna get beat all night bc somebody is pitching a dog

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