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Posted by Sharptooth on 01-13-2009 11:55 PM:

History question

Does anyone know what dog the first UKC dual grand champion was? and who it was owned by?

that question came up from a young coonhunter in our area and I'm trying to help him out. thanks!

Posted by marvgru on 01-14-2009 01:45 AM:

Ask Historynutt!

Posted by Sharptooth on 01-14-2009 02:31 AM:

History Question

Hopefully Historynutt will see this!

Posted by marvgru on 01-14-2009 02:42 AM:

Re: History Question

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Lets make sure Historynutt sees it!

Posted by hickish on 01-14-2009 03:45 AM:

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Posted by Les Young on 01-14-2009 04:12 AM:

Not sure , but was it robs danny boy ?

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Posted by smokey7 on 01-14-2009 04:26 AM:

Probably hickory nut harry or Sacket Jr. or Houses lipper. There the gandaddy's to em all......... LOL LOl

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Posted by HistoryNutt on 01-14-2009 04:59 AM:

Good Question

Good Question. That will take a little bit of research. I would think it would have been in the early 60's.

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Posted by truebluefordman on 01-14-2009 03:09 PM:

i would bet it was a walker dog for sure, prob merchents bawly dog

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Posted by COONDOG on 01-14-2009 03:27 PM:

I bet it was an english dog. Doesn't the history say that the first hound breed recognized by UKC was the english dog?

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Posted by jack cowan on 01-14-2009 03:32 PM:

i think the first breed recognized was the black n tan. but you could be right

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Posted by Christy on 01-14-2009 03:34 PM:

quote:
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Probably hickory nut harry or Sacket Jr. or Houses lipper. There the gandaddy's to em all......... LOL LOl

SORRY. WRONG.

SACKETT JR WAS NOT A DUAL GRAND.

CH GRNTCH ROCK RIVER SACKETT JR

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Posted by COONDOG on 01-14-2009 04:42 PM:

From UKC web page:

The American Black & Tan was the first coonhound breed to be admitted into the registry with UKC. When they were first registered in 1900, and for several years after that, they were registered as American Black & Tan Fox and Coonhound.

I was wrong again. lol.

Posted by nccoonhunter197 on 01-14-2009 05:37 PM:

Probably hickory nut harry or Sacket Jr. or Houses lipper. There the gandaddy's to em all......... LOL LOl

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I think you have to look past these great dogs. They were offspring off other really great dogs. I'm thinking it is probably a Black and Tan or a Redbone. Just a guess. I'd like to think it was a walker but I don't think it was.

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Posted by Les Young on 01-14-2009 05:40 PM:

Truebluefordman

that was my second guess lol

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Posted by truebluefordman on 01-14-2009 05:46 PM:

the english dog was the first and founder to all hounds in the ukc with and i Q the plott. but the ? is what and who was the first dual grand ch.. that means on his ped it would look like this grch grntch/ or grntch grwch blabla walker dogs and i bet it was a born and breed indiana walker dog too. as we all know only hoosier dogs make it to the top.

Posted by COONDOG on 01-14-2009 06:01 PM:

I again was wrong. lol. I miss read the question. I do know what the first Dual Grand ALL Grand was.

Posted by Les Young on 01-14-2009 06:03 PM:

LOL!!! but all top dogs are definitley not from indiana or ohio, iowa , missouri , illinois or anywhere else for that matter, but would definitley like to have the coon populatiun these states have. lol

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Posted by truebluefordman on 01-14-2009 07:05 PM:

lol i had to put that out there !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not that mine are top dogs but they can crap just like the best ones going

Posted by Les Young on 01-14-2009 07:06 PM:

lol

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Posted by HistoryNutt on 01-14-2009 09:13 PM:

We are remodeling so the material I have that may answer this question is like when you are out hunting. Someone asks if you are lost and you answer no, I just don't know where I am at, at the moment.

It could very well be a walker. It would have been in the 60's when UKC started awarding Grand Champion Degrees. Before that people would advertise how many Champion hunts or shows they had won. I just don't know for sure what year it was? Todd?????

I know there were Grand Nite Champions in 1965. But then Deep River Mike and Katie's Rowdy were Grands. They won the ACHA World in 60 and 62. But back then people would still campaign them after winning such a hunt.

I would think the Grend degrees started between 63-65. I think is was AFTER 63.

Posted by Todd K / UKC on 01-14-2009 09:46 PM:

That is a good question. I can't find the answer right off but I'm guessing HistoryNutt is very close on the time frame being the mid 60's. The GrNiteCh degree did not even come out until 1964. The first CH titled dog was in '47 (english dog) but can't find when the GRCH title was first available? For a long time CH NITECH was as high as you could go.

I'm going to make an educated guess then I'm going to try to run it through the system and see what I can find out. I'm going to guess Dale Brandenburger's Pioneer Drum.

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Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 01-14-2009 10:37 PM:

houses chief

acha world champion either 64 oblong ill or
65 leesummit missiouri

Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 01-14-2009 11:22 PM:

your prob. right my computter is getting old it said his 1st
was 64.was 63 tupelo miss

Posted by P.W. Chapman on 01-14-2009 11:50 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by truebluefordman
the english dog was the first and founder to all hounds in the ukc ....

Sorry, but no. The Black and Tan was the first recognized and registered with UKC. All the way back in 1900, I believe. The English was 3rd & redbone 2nd.

The English was the parent breed of the blueticks and treeing walkers for if those dogs were registered in UKC they had to be registered as English until the 40's or 50's when they broke away from the English.

Here are the years in which these breeds were recognized by UKC...

Black & Tan 1900
Redbone 1902
English 1905
Treeing Walkers 1945
Blueticks 1946
Plotts 1946
Leopards 2008

Of course that doesn't answer the original question. I'd love to see what Todd finds out....

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