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Posted by Paul Jones on 12-05-2008 10:11 PM:

Nocturnal Nailer ??

what are his traits accuracy,wide hunter, mouth, trashy ect.... ?also was wondering how nailer blood cross's on clover? any ansewers would be greatly appreciated.thanks


Posted by Lowell Lynn on 12-05-2008 10:55 PM:

Very Stylish tree dogs. They absolutely love to tree.

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Posted by Paul Jones on 12-05-2008 11:59 PM:

are they tree happy slickers??


Posted by NEOKHUNTER on 12-06-2008 05:50 AM:

Nailor

Had a male dog that was Nailer on both sides he acutally had nailor twice on top and twice on bottom. He would chop a tree in half, he had over 140+ bpm, and id say he was over 90% accurate and he wasnt a really wide hunter but he would not stop a track for nothing and he would not pull from a tree if a train went by him, he was a hell of a dog. He was killed in a pond by a 25 pound coon. But I guess he died doin what he loved.

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Posted by NEOKHUNTER on 12-06-2008 05:51 AM:

Oh and that was the only walker I ever owned. He was given to me from my grandpa

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Posted by toe cutter on 12-06-2008 08:45 AM:

i had two directly out of nailor,both were slick tree idiots......TC

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Posted by Southern Coondog on 12-06-2008 10:30 AM:

I HAVE A MALE OFF NAILOR SEMN AND HE IS NICE AS THEY COME. HE HUNTS MEDIUM TO WIDE, HAS A HUGE MOUTH AND IS A VERY CLASSY TREE DOG THAT IS VERY VERY ACURATE.

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Posted by Rex W Sims on 12-06-2008 02:03 PM:

Paul here's the pic.

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Posted by liberalcreek on 12-06-2008 02:11 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by toe cutter
i had two directly out of nailor,both were slick tree idiots......TC


LOL!!. I have probably hunted more nailor dogs than anyone and NEVER had one that was a slick treeing idiot. If anything else they were too picky and making sure they had the meat before setting down to tree.

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Posted by Travis Eastman on 12-06-2008 08:42 PM:

One thing we all seem to overlook is: the female has something to do with it to.


Posted by Majestic Tree H on 12-06-2008 09:51 PM:

He Crossed very well with a "Lock Down" Female !! = "Texas Lotto" and a few others in that same Litter !! Very Good Breeding





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--------GR NT CH ‘PR’ Yadkin Tar Rattler
----------NT CH ‘PR’ Tar Heel Peggy
----GR NT CH ‘PR’ Nocturnal Nailer
----------GR NT CH GR CH ‘PR’ House’s Lipper
--------GR NT CH GR CH ‘PR’ Lock Down Lassie
----------NT CH ‘PR’ Rockers’ Banjo Style Babe
-Dual GR GR NT CH CH ‘PR’ Texas Lotto
----------NT CH ‘PR’ Jim’s Cedar Creek Clipper
--------GR NT CH ‘PR’ Timber Rattler
----------GR NT CH ‘PR’ Griffin’s Dina
----GR NT CH GR CH ‘PR’ Lock Down Queen
----------GR NT CH GR CH ‘PR’ McKnight’s Rex
--------‘PR’ Lock Down Rexine
----------GR CH ‘PR’ House’s Lady

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Posted by larrypoe on 12-06-2008 10:22 PM:

Id say I got the chance to hunt with as many direct sons and daughters as anyone, and one trait seemed to come through no matter what kind of female they were out of. TREE DOGS.

Some were wide hunters, some close. Some accurate, some slick treein monsters. Good track dogs, and some that couldnt track themselves back to the food dish. Everyone was a Kady-bar-the-door TREE DOG though.

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Posted by on 12-06-2008 10:29 PM:

They seem to generally be large size dogs too.
As for slick treeing, my experience with them has been just the opposit Just about any idiot can train any treedog to be a slick treeing idiot. Many dogs get blamed for their trainers stupidity.


Posted by joe33 on 12-06-2008 11:10 PM:

nailor dogs

that is the only breed of walker i will hunt had several nailor dogs and loved every one of them had just a couple of slick trees but i would say 90 percent of the time they had the meet. wish i could get my hands on anouther nailor pup i do have a grand son to nailor right now that i crossed his dad with a clover female and he is a coon dog seems they croos good with clover breed females too.

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Posted by Pigeon on 12-07-2008 01:07 AM:

just a thought

They may be releasing some semen soon.......................

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Posted by Chiggers on 12-07-2008 01:31 AM:

I bred to him twice and bought several other pups and young dogs off him, still have one directly off him and Stylish Anna in the back yard 14 years old. Some were real Good and some were real Bad. I only had one that would not tree.

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Posted by toe cutter on 12-07-2008 05:29 PM:

JIM,--could be they were trained by an idiot , but slick treeing is a bred in fault.it is caused by weak tracking ability.the track is the math the tree is the answer ,if they can't do the math they will never get the answer right. i would say who ever made the cross that produced the slick treeing dogs was the idiot. any time you have a stud bred as much as nailor,sackett jr or some of the other dogs that were bred so much, your gonna have them all over the board. and its because the breeder did not know how to cross dogs for their traits. most were crossed to make money on what ever was the top going stud dog at the time, not to produce balanced dogs.nailor was a overpowering tree dog, bred to a female that was all tree dog and weak on the track could and did produced slick treeing idiots, you can not train a dog to be a good track dog,it has to be bred into them.there is no stud dog that will dominate the traits of any and every female he is bred to.slap happy breeding to make money is what produced so many culls from all stud dogs.when you see a all grand litter,do you take into consideration that the cross was made to produce all grands on the papers and no thought to traits and if the cross will produce a balanced dog?.just because two i had were slick treeing idiots does not mean they all were. just like because all the ones you hunted with were not, does not mean that NONE were.any idiot can pay the stud fee and breed his female, it takes some one with some breeding knowledge to breed the right female to the right stud to produce a balanced litter of coondogs ...................TC

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Posted by on 12-07-2008 05:44 PM:

I couldn't agree more.


Posted by toe cutter on 12-07-2008 06:18 PM:

unless the sire and dam are directly out of nailor and clover or selective line bred ,you will get a mixed bag of genes that don't contain much of the original genes that nailor and clover had.line breeding is the only way to ensure you keep the desired traits that you want in any bloodline..line breeding is a term invented to describe a milder form of inbreeding.which is breeding within a family of dogs and it is done to keep the desired traits of that bloodline.I have only been breeding and training dogs for 36 yrs,so my opinions on this cross would probably be considered stupid and idiotic compared the experts ...............TC

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Posted by BOOBOOBRADY on 12-07-2008 06:18 PM:

I disagree the stran of nailor dogs i hunt there strong point is TRACKING and having them coons when you get there as far as tree dogs thats about 50% of them most scream and squall. but you can bet when they open there mouth most of the time they will be in front and will have seen them as far as 400 yards ahead of dogs on a the track

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Posted by toe cutter on 12-07-2008 06:50 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by BOOBOOBRADY
I disagree the stran of nailor dogs i hunt there strong point is TRACKING and having them coons when you get there as far as tree dogs thats about 50% of them most scream and squall. but you can bet when they open there mouth most of the time they will be in front and will have seen them as far as 400 yards ahead of dogs on a the track
i never said nailor dogs were weak track dogs. i thought we were talking about dogs directly out of nailor and not a strain off him. every out cross made dilutes the genes nailor put in his pups. i have a female out of gap and her mother is out of Xjr. i would not say she is sackett jr bred or nailor bred even though gap has sackett jr and Xjr has nailor blood. just because a dog shows a certain hound in their ped does not mean it is still that dogs blood or traits that makes it run a track or tree a certain way. it is the traits the dog got from the mixed bag of genes, unless it is a line bred bloodline from the original sire or dam.other wise its traits are far from what the original sire and dam produced in a litter of pups.thats what out crosses are for , to change or put a desired trait into a litter that the original sire and dam were weak at reproducing.or to remove a undesired fault from a bloodline.pups directly out of nailor were stronger on the tree instinct.it could hurt you or help you depending on the traits of the female you bred him to.unless a dog is line bred out of nailor,his grand pups and great grand pups are far from what nailor produced in the pups directly off him....................TC

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Posted by toe cutter on 12-07-2008 06:57 PM:

Re: Nailor

quote:
Originally posted by NEOKHUNTER
Had a male dog that was Nailer on both sides he acutally had nailor twice on top and twice on bottom. He would chop a tree in half, he had over 140+ bpm, and id say he was over 90% accurate and he wasnt a really wide hunter but he would not stop a track for nothing and he would not pull from a tree if a train went by him, he was a hell of a dog. He was killed in a pond by a 25 pound coon. But I guess he died doin what he loved.
this is an example of a line bred nailor dog that still had a good dose of nailor blood and showed nailor traits in the way this dog treed.some one line bred him top and bottom to keep nailor bloodline traits in the pups ..........................TC

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Posted by crittergetter12 on 12-07-2008 08:50 PM:

nailor


here is my male directly out of nailor great track dog and has the coon 90 to 95 % of the time best dog i ever followed


Posted by josh on 12-07-2008 09:31 PM:

Here is an interesting link with some discussion on Nailor.

http://forums.ukcdogs.com/showthrea...mp;pagenumber=1


Posted by truebluefordman on 12-07-2008 09:49 PM:

why dont you all tell the other side to them .. they all where ILL. yes 99% where some of the best tree dogs alive but all would it a dog up right now... that was a true trait of nailer... dont get me wrong he pass on the whole package coon dog as do a lot of studs but he did it with style though.

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