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Posted by BRYAN J on 11-30-2008 03:48 PM:

Trespassing with hounds

Does anyone know the law when it comes time to get your hounds off property that your not suppose to be on?

I will tell you, I was told lastnite by Mo. conservation officers.

Simple, better have permission or go get the land owners to get the dogs with you. Something about libility law. Land owners don't need to have no hunting marked anywhere either.
Don't know about everyones elses hounds but they can't read signs or know boundries.

Now this was in Mo. Not sure of the other states.

This would suck especially if no one was home.

Just thought I would share the info.

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Posted by Train on 11-30-2008 04:15 PM:

The way Missouri law reads yes you must have landowners permission to enter his property to get your hounds. I have found that most landowners around my area don't mind if you go in to get them so long as you don't have a gun with you (leave it on the property you have permission to be on) and you just go in and get them and get back to the property you have permission to hunt. The first question most CO's ask a landowner when they call about trespassing is if the property is posted and if so how many feet or yards between posted signs.

It's always best to ask permission but like most of us I am not leaving my hounds if I can help it.

Posted by Ron Brickles on 11-30-2008 04:16 PM:

HERE IN NC, THE WARDEN TOLD ME VARIES FROM COUNTY TO COUNTY. SOME COUNTIES YOU CAN RETRIEVE YOUR HOUNDS AS LONG AS YOU DONT CARRY A FIRE ARM , SOME COUNTIES IS AS YOU EXPLAINED.

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Posted by BRYAN J on 11-30-2008 05:06 PM:

I would think as long as the weapon is left at the vehicle there shouldn't be a problem. I was told in MO. that the land doesn't need to be posted either.
Im sure most are pretty understandable.

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Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 11-30-2008 05:55 PM:

most tresspassing signs are put up for the land owners
protection.law suits in the good old us is at a all time high.
the law here gives you the right to shot a guy on your
door step if you feel threaten,so i darn sure not walking
up on his door step and wake him.

Posted by Country AintBad on 11-30-2008 06:07 PM:

i usually find out who owns the land around where im gonna be hunting so just in case they cross i already have talked with the other owners just incase they cross thaty way i dont have a dead dog on my hands or i get shot....but thats GA.......

i'd agree as long as u dont carry a firearm on the property i wouldnt see a problem

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Posted by BRYAN J on 11-30-2008 06:45 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by blueticking: it
most tresspassing signs are put up for the land owners
protection.law suits in the good old us is at a all time high.
the law here gives you the right to shot a guy on your
door step if you feel threaten,so i darn sure not walking
up on his door step and wake him.

Yeah I hear that! I sure won't go knocking on someones door that late either. Too many people I hear that are getting shot at or shooting at them or the dogs. this is just crazy. Coon hunters sure don't hurt anything but there are so many land owners taking over. Terrible.

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Posted by mjflores on 11-30-2008 07:02 PM:

I'm a land owner, and have posted land. Here in NH, you only need 1 sign and that makes the entire parcel posted. I have mine posted every 30 feet or so, so nobody can tell me they didn't see a sign. The reason I posted it is, to keep people from hunting too close to the house, shooting at dogs, and me! I dont like how allot of deer hunters hunt, so I can do my own thing and hunt the deer the way I want to do it. I like scouting, and ambush from tree stands...not "deer drives" or bumbling along and stumbling on a deer.

If a deer hunter wounds a deer and it runs onto my land, I say go ahead and get your deer. If a dog ends up on my land...dont come and wake me, or call..just go get it.

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Posted by jtwsr on 11-30-2008 07:09 PM:

Maryland Landowner here.

In Maryland Land does not need to be posted,

If you are on land without written permission, you ARE trasspassing.

Even if land owner gives you permission, but not written, you are in violation, DNR will write a tcket for 250 fine and misdermeanor, even if the landowner verifies that he gave you permission. You MUST have written Permission signed.

No right to retrieval.

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Posted by BRYAN J on 11-30-2008 07:13 PM:

Looks like the best thing to do is know where you are and who owns the land.
I wonder what has driven some land owners to be so hard to deal with?

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Posted by john Duemmer on 11-30-2008 09:01 PM:

Around here if you hunt much your dogs will on ocasion get treed in the wrong place. We usually just shut our lights off and sneak in and get them quick as possible. Almost all of the farmers are glad to have you kill coon,but they have sold off alot of frontage in 2 acre lots to city folks livin the dream. I have learned when confronted by one of these jerks The first thing i say is sorry for tresspassin just need to get my dog By the way so it doesnt happen again exactly where is your boundry? Most of the time you will find they dont own the land they are trying to kick you off. Never run into one yet that could keep me from gettin my dogs. Most of these people are scared of the dark anyway. LOL.

Posted by ysudep2 on 11-30-2008 10:40 PM:

Im getting my dog permission or not. We just go get our dogs when they cross the boundary and most people will not have a problem if you just tell them whose land you were on. We treed a coon beside and older ladies house a week or so ago and when she came out she was on fire!! When all was said and done she let us shoot the coon and gave us permission to hunt, turned out to be a good night!

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Posted by Robert Welch on 11-30-2008 10:52 PM:

Around here!

quote:
Originally posted by BRYAN J
Looks like the best thing to do is know where you are and who owns the land.
I wonder what has driven some land owners to be so hard to deal with?

I can answer that with a variety of answers. Around here!!! 1.Hunting with out permission.2 Driving to the dogs instead of walking(Farmers really love muddy ruts from 4 wheel drive vehicles across a 1/2 mile of field to THEIR woods).

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Posted by burdette on 11-30-2008 10:56 PM:

ive got 3000 plus acres to hunt. ive went around to everyone with in a 2 mile radius and ask for ATLEAST permission to get my dogs off their land if need be. i havent had anyone who hasnt given me permission to atleast get my dogs.

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Posted by Terry Adams on 11-30-2008 11:08 PM:

I don't know what the laws are here in N.C. and I don't ever want to cause me or my fellow hunters any trouble, but when my dogs accidently get on someone elses land, I just leave the gun in the truck and go get them. I figure it's easier to ask for forgiveness most of the time than to ask for permission. I don't care who you are, or how much land you own, I'm going to get my dogs. If I have any trouble, I just have a talk with the dogs and tell them to tree somewhere else next time.

Posted by Ringtailfever89 on 11-30-2008 11:24 PM:

tn has act to retrieve at least i know they do in washington and green couty

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Posted by hopm on 12-01-2008 12:51 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by jtwsr
Maryland Landowner here.

In Maryland Land does not need to be posted,

If you are on land without written permission, you ARE trasspassing.

Even if land owner gives you permission, but not written, you are in violation, DNR will write a tcket for 250 fine and misdermeanor, even if the landowner verifies that he gave you permission. You MUST have written Permission signed.

No right to retrieval.

Not just Maryland.....Got me a Jan. 6th court date for failure to have written permission. It was an area I have hunted for 20 years. I thought it was rr property. Warden told me be glad it's not that would get into serious charges.

Posted by BRYAN J on 12-01-2008 01:02 AM:

Re: Around here!

quote:
Originally posted by Robert Welch
I can answer that with a variety of answers. Around here!!! 1.Hunting with out permission.2 Driving to the dogs instead of walking(Farmers really love muddy ruts from 4 wheel drive vehicles across a 1/2 mile of field to THEIR woods).

Robert you are right. I know some of the reason why farmers don't like you on them are because when the yotes were hunted alot here the guys would open gates and drive all over without permission. Too top it off leave the gates open. I alwyas believe in walking anyway unless I do have permission. Gets my heart rate up and loose some weight the same time!

Permission is key.

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Posted by Tim MACHA on 12-01-2008 01:04 AM:

Good ole' State of Iowa and the Iowa Coon Hunters Assn.

We continue to have the right to retrieve. The Iowa law starts out by stating that a dog knows no boundries. Thanks to Richard Good and the Iowa State Coon Hunters for lobbying to keep this law.

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Posted by BRYAN J on 12-01-2008 01:06 AM:

I have been reading up on charges. In Mo. you have to have written permission and keep it with you signed by the land owner or you can be charged. Verbal is not good enough for an officer.

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Posted by BRYAN J on 12-01-2008 01:08 AM:

Tim Im glad to know that. I know in Mo. it's not like that.
The right to retreive your dog should be allowed in every state.

Do you have to have an officer go with you if on private property or call anyone?

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Posted by HOBO on 12-01-2008 01:10 AM:

Here in Va we have the right to retreive for now. They are pushing to do away with it.. We are allowed to go get our dogs but can't drive on posted property without permission and you have to leave the gun behind. if the land owner comes out and gets after you your suppose to go out and call the law.

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Posted by Tim MACHA on 12-01-2008 01:19 AM:

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Originally posted by BRYAN J
Tim Im glad to know that. I know in Mo. it's not like that.
The right to retreive your dog should be allowed in every state.

Do you have to have an officer go with you if on private property or call anyone?

You have to leave your vehicle and gun. Proceed to the shortest way to and out. You have to notify no one. If it were early in the evening and you know the owner is home, it would make sense to tell him what you are doing. By law, they cannot stop you from retrieving your dog. A bill has been introduced a few times over the years endorsed by Farm Bureau and other organizations to repeal the law. But, thanks to our great state organization and Rick, the bill never made it to the floor.

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Posted by BRYAN J on 12-01-2008 01:55 AM:

Im sure glad we have good people working for us coon hunters!

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Posted by longshot on 12-01-2008 03:30 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by BRYAN J
I have been reading up on charges. In Mo. you have to have written permission and keep it with you signed by the land owner or you can be charged. Verbal is not good enough for an officer.

I don't believe this is correct..... My understanding of Missouri law is , you have to have permission from the landowner to retrieve your dogs and if he will not grant it , then you call the local sherrif and he will escort you to retrieve them.... Either way you get your dogs... Most landowners will allow you to get them when they find out that the sherrif will do it anyway...

Also , they cannot harm your dogs in any way unless they can prove that they are damageing their property or livestock.

I am not aware of any law in Mo that states that you have to have written permission to hunt.. The only way you can be ticketed for trespass is if the landowner request it. I have been hunting in Mo for 40 years and never carried a written permission slip ever.

I will ad one more thing .... When your local sherrif candidates are comming around asking for votes at election time , that is a good time to ask them how they would handle such a situation and then vote acordingly... The local sherrif is the law of the land around these parts and getting one that is hunter friendly is a big plus!!!

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