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Rules Question

I am sure this has been discussed on here many times before. For my information and anyone that might not know. Example situation, Three dog cast first turn out, Dog a loose mouths as soon as turned loose, Goes 40 yards barks again, Handler strikes dog a for 100, next time you hear dog a, the dog is 1/4 mile farther down the creek. Should of this dog been minused for striking this dog within the minute. It was apparent that the dog after barking within the minute did not take a track out of there, but more than likely was barking behind the other two dogs. It seems to me this rule is hard to enforce especially if the handler of dog a is also carring the score card. I have seen this situation and three other times in hunts where this rule has been pretty much voided in hunts where the judge who has a loose mouth dog has come into play. Is there any concrete rule on this, or is a judgement call. Please advise thanks

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First minute has nothing to do with it. That minute allows handler not to strike his dog.

If it was apparent that the dog took a track out of there then why minus?

If it was apparent that the dog DID NOT take a track out then minus for babbling.

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Yep, thats right, you don't minus a dog for being called struck within the 1st minute. You minus them for babbling (opening where a track is not evident).

There may be some question if the dog was struck on a babble but unless a call was made by the judge or unless someone questioned a call the judge didn't make, RIGHT THEN, then it stands. Plus you did say the dog did "take a track out of there"...

If you did feel the judge's dog was struck on a babble, then you must question it. The cast will vote. Since it involves the judge's dog, it will take the entire rest of the cast to agree the dog was babbling to get the dog minused. Anybody that hunts knows there's a slim chance of that.

What happens after a dog is struck, in terms of time or distance, does not matter. You MUST decide if a dog is babbling when the dog is struck. Later on you cannot question it. Yes its an inadequate rule and its hard to enforce. Thats why there are as many babblers as there are.

Fact it, strike points are only about a dog that opens quick. Most of those that have a dog that will babble want and/or need those easy points. They will convince themselves they've got a "good strike dog" and resist all efforts to tighten the rules up.

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It was better when they scratched for dogs for babbling before they added the minute, now it seems like every cast you draw out on theres a dog babbling off the end of the leash when you turn them loose.

It does matter whether they take the track outta there or not..I would have minused that dog! How else are you going to..Struck on a babble bark and the next bark was 1/4 mile away..That should stand up in a court of law lol......

John D, you say time & distance doesn't matter. How in the world is anybody going to know if a dog isn't on track the very first time they bark? If they bark up close and then don't bark again for a 1/4 mile then it should become obvious to everyone.

what about the dogs that bark and never stop

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Dogs that open and never go quiet are purty much immune from being minused for babbling.....why do you think so many do it?

It's part of playing the game. A dog that is trained to take advantage of every rule will likely be very successfull if that dog can also produce coons too even though it may not be the kind of dog many of us want to hunt.

One of the winningest dogs currently dominating in the other registry is surely not the kind many on this board would ever want to hunt but that dog is perfectly tuned to score points under system in place in that other registry and that dog is very tough to beat. And he has also won in the big UKC hunts in his very limited amout of opportunities.

You think it isn't a game? Think again.

are you saying that the dog was not on a track because it opening close and then opened 1/4 mile a way.or is it because your dog didnt open on track.maybe that dog has a colder nose.dont be so quick to minus some one. that is the problem with the sport today.

I`ve seen a dog that opened off the leash than never stopped. The handler just struck him for 1st strike at the end of the minute. Always claimed that the dog was on a track. I minused out and went back to the truck the same dog followed me and stood on my tailgate barking! Owner claimed he was winding a coon, LOL.

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Originally posted by turman
I`ve seen a dog that opened off the leash than never stopped. The handler just struck him for 1st strike at the end of the minute. Always claimed that the dog was on a track. I minused out and went back to the truck the same dog followed me and stood on my tailgate barking! Owner claimed he was winding a coon, LOL.

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Originally posted by JiM
A dog that is trained to take advantage of every rule will likely be very successfull if that dog can also produce coons too even though it may not be the kind of dog many of us want to hunt.

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