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Wild coon??
Why do coonhunters look down on the act of running off buckets, when alot of bear hunters run off bait piles? What's the difference? I've truned loose off buckets and had the dogs tree 3/4 mile ( GPS verified) from where I turned them loose. If that aint working a track I dont know what is. Seriously, I dont see anything wrong with it. A bucket doesn't mean you'll tree a coon within 30 feet.
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I think that if the truth were known , those complaining have never tried it.
Maybe that's why I don't complain , I have run bear off of baits and know that you still don't get them all started. LOL
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I often hunt off of buckets. In these pine plantations there are few coon and little feed. Often you don't even strike on the bucket and the dogs keep right on going.
If you really want to hunt wild running coon just shoot one coon off of a regularly hunted bucket. They will start running just like the survivors in an over hunted and over killed area.
Somtimes you will tree close to the bucket but often you will be 1/2 to 1 mile away if you hunt a feeder regular.
I also hunt alot with out buckets and few of those tracks are any harder to tree.
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i wouldnt have run it but once.are you sure old blue
is putting enough pressure on it
Either the dog has to go to the coon or the coon has to come to the dog. One or the other. I prefer the real thing and a hard hunting dog. Just my opinion.
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every now and then i will dump the dogs out at the deer feeder, and they sometimes get a coon close but other times they run aways before they tree and sometimes they dont even strike until there a ways from the feeder
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here's the deal! if you hunt a dog on buckets all the time then he is gonna run straight to the bucket everytime you turn him loose. wouldn't you run to the same place if you knew there would be something there to eat and you were hungry? it don't make the track any easier but if you hunt buckets all te time and then go to a hunt somewhere and you don't get buckets more than likely you are gonna get your butt skint up because your dog is used to findin a good track to run, not going and finding a track wether it be a good one or a bad one. hope this makes sense!
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Around here, coon are scarce, and having a place to run them, or at least a place to run them that everybody and their brother isn't hunting, is even more so. We also don't have big tracts of land that aren't intersected by roads or someone else's property. I don't see feeders as cheating at all. Fur from around here is worth nothing, and I don't think a dog has to fight to keep up his hunting ability, so I don't shoot many coon out, and none over feeders. To hear some people on here tell it, they don't even need to hunt around water to tree a coon (I guess that's "cheating,"too).
I've also noticed that alot of the people that say they would NEVER hunt over a feeder will not keep their dog in the truck if you take them hunting and say "Oh, by the way, I have a feeder here." In fact, most will come back and hunt your spot without you afterward.
By the way-- as far as I can tell, a coon that's been eating out of a bucket smells the exact same as a coon that hasn't, so why would a dog that hasn't hunted over buckets hunt any better than a dog that has? I've NEVER seen a dog that's hunted over buckets get turned loose in a spot with no buckets run 'til he finds a bucket, he finds a COON trail to run.
Re: Wild coon??
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Originally posted by mjflores
Why do coonhunters look down on the act of running off buckets, when alot of bear hunters run off bait piles? What's the difference? I've truned loose off buckets and had the dogs tree 3/4 mile ( GPS verified) from where I turned them loose. If that aint working a track I dont know what is. Seriously, I dont see anything wrong with it. A bucket doesn't mean you'll tree a coon within 30 feet.
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quote:.....very true.........handled a man's grand night for him at a national hunt a few years ago..........the dog was raised on, pleasure hunted, and competition hunted soley on buckets..............coons were not moving, and the guide didn't have buckets............dog would hunt out about a quarter mile, not find a bucket, and come back.............I got waxed.........lolol
Originally posted by stinkbait1
here's the deal! if you hunt a dog on buckets all the time then he is gonna run straight to the bucket everytime you turn him loose. wouldn't you run to the same place if you knew there would be something there to eat and you were hungry? it don't make the track any easier but if you hunt buckets all te time and then go to a hunt somewhere and you don't get buckets more than likely you are gonna get your butt skint up because your dog is used to findin a good track to run, not going and finding a track wether it be a good one or a bad one. hope this makes sense!
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all true we guided at one of the pkc madness hunts took the cast to one of our private woods where we pup train and release coon , this woods usually a 1 hour hunt can score minimum of 3 max of 5 in the hour..we dont use any typr of buckets just good habitat...drew out later in the week completely different story, nice 40acre cornfield woods, 1coon seen i den
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Originally posted by Oak Ridge
To me, it's not about "good or bad"....it's about an level playing field....
I don't live in an area where feeder buckets are an issue...the whole world is a feeder bucket....
But lets say I load up and drive to a large hunt....and I draw a guide, you draw a guide at the same hunt. Your guide has 22 active buckets...I draw a guide that has just as many coon, but they are scattered out in that pine plantation that someone else mentioned.
Now, the goal at this big hunt is to have the highest score, and you score 900+ in two hours cause the coon were really hitting the guides buckets.....
At the end of my two hours...my dog hunted hard, scored on one coon...along with the vast majority of the other cast winners in the large hunt...
I'll be the first one to agree that luck certainly plays a part in alot of hunts...but quite frankly, having been to several hunts and beaten by bucket coon while I'm hunting for "wild coon"....I'll stay home cause I'm not that "lucky" to draw the guy with active feeders as a guide!
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Originally posted by Oak Ridge
To me, it's not about "good or bad"....it's about an level playing field....
I don't live in an area where feeder buckets are an issue...the whole world is a feeder bucket....
But lets say I load up and drive to a large hunt....and I draw a guide, you draw a guide at the same hunt. Your guide has 22 active buckets...I draw a guide that has just as many coon, but they are scattered out in that pine plantation that someone else mentioned.
Now, the goal at this big hunt is to have the highest score, and you score 900+ in two hours cause the coon were really hitting the guides buckets.....
At the end of my two hours...my dog hunted hard, scored on one coon...along with the vast majority of the other cast winners in the large hunt...
I'll be the first one to agree that luck certainly plays a part in alot of hunts...but quite frankly, having been to several hunts and beaten by bucket coon while I'm hunting for "wild coon"....I'll stay home cause I'm not that "lucky" to draw the guy with active feeders as a guide!
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ITS NOBODY FAULT CAUSE YOU DIDNT DRAWL A GUIDE WITH BUCKETS . ITS THE SAME WAY WHERE EVER YOU GO IN INDIANA YOU MAY GET A GUIDE WITH COON OR YOU MAY NOT. SO QUIT COMPLAINING.
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THESE BUCKET THREADS HAS BEEN BEAT TO DEATH!!!!MY THING IS YOU GUYS KEEP SAYING BUCKET COONS ARE NOT WILD COON ,ARE THEY TAME?? IN MY OPINION HUNTING BUCKETS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN HUNTING ANY OTHER FOOD SOURCE , CORN , BLACK BERRYS , ECT.. TRAP YOU A BUCKET COON SO YOU CAN TRY TO PET HIM YOU WILL SEE HE IS AS WILD AS ANY.
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Originally posted by Maniac
ITS NOBODY FAULT CAUSE YOU DIDNT DRAWL A GUIDE WITH BUCKETS . ITS THE SAME WAY WHERE EVER YOU GO IN INDIANA YOU MAY GET A GUIDE WITH COON OR YOU MAY NOT. SO QUIT COMPLAINING.
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Originally posted by Ron Brickles
THE ONLY WAY THEY WILL QUIT COMPLAINING IS TO DO MORE WINNING, IF THEY WERE WINNING ALL WOULD BE FINE
GENERAL HUNTING
REGULATIONS
Baiting: It is unlawful to bait for game or furbearing animals from
April 15 through Aug. 31; bait for game or furbearing animals,
including deer and bear, without written landowner permission and a
topographical map marking the bait site filed with a conservation
officer. Individuals are restricted to no more than 2 active bait sites;
registered guides shall have no more than 6 active bait sites. A list
of Fish and Game office addresses can be found on page 2. Additional
restrictions apply. See New Rules for 2007 on page 6.
The Way I read New Hamshire State Game Laws is that Between April 15 to Aug. 31 You Can Not Bait Then After Aug. 31 You Must Have the Land Owners Permission And Have the Site Filed With the Game Office.
http://www.wildlife.state.nh.us/Hun...est_2007_08.pdf
Thus if this Bucket has Feed in it in July As Date Stamped ,, It Sounds it may be Unlawful
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Originally posted by smokey7
My point in all this has absolutly nothing to do with competition. My point is that it's a crutch. It's distorts the reality of the abitity or lack of ability of the dog. In three short words........ KEEP IT REAL
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Originally posted by Majestic Tree H
GENERAL HUNTING
REGULATIONS
Baiting: It is unlawful to bait for game or furbearing animals from
April 15 through Aug. 31; bait for game or furbearing animals,
including deer and bear, without written landowner permission and a
topographical map marking the bait site filed with a conservation
officer. Individuals are restricted to no more than 2 active bait sites;
registered guides shall have no more than 6 active bait sites. A list
of Fish and Game office addresses can be found on page 2. Additional
restrictions apply. See New Rules for 2007 on page 6.
The Way I read New Hamshire State Game Laws is that Between April 15 to Aug. 31 You Can Not Bait Then After Aug. 31 You Must Have the Land Owners Permission And Have the Site Filed With the Game Office.
http://www.wildlife.state.nh.us/Hun...est_2007_08.pdf
Thus if this Bucket has Feed in it in July As Date Stamped ,, It Sounds it may be Unlawful
Steve, that doesn't pertain to Raccoons. Also, where that bucket is, I'm the land owner! Nice try.
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Originally posted by Maniac
ITS NOBODY FAULT CAUSE YOU DIDNT DRAWL A GUIDE WITH BUCKETS . ITS THE SAME WAY WHERE EVER YOU GO IN INDIANA YOU MAY GET A GUIDE WITH COON OR YOU MAY NOT. SO QUIT COMPLAINING.
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Alright, I do see the point about a hunt. I like Sam's idea, go to a cast win system. It seems that under the current system, it's immediately unfair depending on what part of the country you live it. Some places will have several casts headed to the woods...around here it's hard enough to come up with 4 dogs to fill a cast. Sometime 1 or 2 dogs show up for a hunt.
Has anyone on here ever seen a dog that wouldn't hunt unless they saw a feed bucket? I cant believe anyone would find a dog that sorry.
Around here, you can have a full feed bucket but you wont get a coon coming to it when the blueberries are ripe..or later when the beechnuts and acorns are prime.
So anyway, the point to this thread wasn't really are buckets to be used in hunts...just should buckets be used period...why or why not?
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Originally posted by Oak Ridge
FIRST OFF....I'M NOT COMPLAINING..... I SIMPLY MADE A STATEMENT THAT IN SOME PLACES IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.....
I WAS PRETTY PLAIN THAT LUCK PLAYS A PART.....I'M NOT THAT LUCKY.....
No matter what you say, if one cast hunts over active buckets, and the other casts are hunting "wild coon"...the field is NOT level.
quote:
Originally posted by Oak Ridge
FIRST OFF....I'M NOT COMPLAINING..... I SIMPLY MADE A STATEMENT THAT IN SOME PLACES IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.....
I WAS PRETTY PLAIN THAT LUCK PLAYS A PART.....I'M NOT THAT LUCKY.....
No matter what you say, if one cast hunts over active buckets, and the other casts are hunting "wild coon"...the field is NOT level.
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