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Posted by bricklayer on 07-04-2008 11:07 PM:

why walkers?

I have noticed that walkers seem to dominate the nite hunts. I was just wondering why? I have raised coonhounds for almost 30 years now and have owened every breed with the exception of plotts and english. I have always prefered redbones though I have owned good dogs that were walkers, black and tans and blueticks. I have found there to be good dogs in every breed and among the better ones I owned there wasn,t a nickles worth of diffrence, they were all outstanding. The only real consistant diffrence I can see is the walkers tend to be on average a bit deeper hunting dogs. though exceptions are found within every breed. But night in and night out all treed coon equally well. I have never entered a nite hunt in my life, though I am now wanting to get into competition hunting. Am I missing something here? If treeing coon is the name of the game, why do walkers dominate when other breeds seem to do just fine?

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Posted by Thomas Martin on 07-05-2008 12:03 AM:

why walkers

CAUSE ITS SO MANY OF THEM OUT THERE.ITS LIKE 10 TO 1.

Posted by coonhunter517 on 07-05-2008 08:58 PM:

Walkers were the 1st coonhound breed. they dominated the coondog breed 100+ years ago and the population hasnt gone down. over the years the breed has improved and more big rig coonhunters want the best.

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Posted by mudman on 07-05-2008 09:04 PM:

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Originally posted by coonhunter517
Walkers were the 1st coonhound breed. they dominated the coondog breed 100+ years ago and the population hasnt gone down. over the years the breed has improved and more big rig coonhunters want the best.

english were first coonhound breed every dog but plott has come from a english somewhere in there lines

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Posted by Family on 07-05-2008 10:25 PM:

hey I already posted this like a week ago go n search/check it out Your about to stir the hive brother,,,,,DUCK.

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Posted by coonhunter517 on 07-05-2008 11:19 PM:

i said one of the 1st coonhound breeds, not THE 1st coonhound breed, smart 1!

Posted by burdette on 07-05-2008 11:25 PM:

black n tan was the first reg coonhound breed. walkers where started out of the fox hound breed. they are just the right combination to be competitive. there is competitive hounds in every breed but the walkers dominate. AND NO IM NOT A WALKER MAN JUST STATING THE FACTS.

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Posted by coonhunter517 on 07-05-2008 11:32 PM:

Thanks. Allways looking for something to prove me wrong! dude, i come from the Creasman family. we know almost everything to dogs but coonhuntin. sad. were more for big game.

Posted by Justin Smith on 07-05-2008 11:52 PM:

Lester Nance founded the Walker breed by buying up foxhounds that naturally fell out of races to tree coon .... he was putting some awful good genetics in the Walker breed from the start.

All the other breeds worry more about color and looks , natural ability in the very root of the foundation tree wasn't up there where Walkers were ..... from there , how could the Walkers do anything but gain steam ?

Posted by Majestic Tree H on 07-05-2008 11:54 PM:

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Posted by coonhunter517 on 07-05-2008 11:58 PM:

I'm not saying walkers arent good, they are, but all i was saying is the reason walkers are so good is they were 1 of the 1st good coondogs.

Posted by Jared Lawrason on 07-06-2008 12:19 AM:

Their toe nails are the easiest to trim.

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Posted by coonhunter517 on 07-06-2008 12:26 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jared Lawrason
Their toe nails are the easiest to trim.

WHAT????!!!!

Posted by Bear on 07-06-2008 12:58 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by coonhunter517
i said one of the 1st coonhound breeds, not THE 1st coonhound breed, smart 1!

Re read your 1st post .

"Walkers were the 1st coonhound breed."

Posted by coonhunter517 on 07-06-2008 01:05 AM:

i cannot believe that... Sorry...): still, i didnt mean THE 1st. i ment 1 of the 1st.

Posted by kycooner1 on 07-06-2008 01:28 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Justin Smith
Lester Nance founded the Walker breed by buying up foxhounds that naturally fell out of races to tree coon .... he was putting some awful good genetics in the Walker breed from the start.

All the other breeds worry more about color and looks , natural ability in the very root of the foundation tree wasn't up there where Walkers were ..... from there , how could the Walkers do anything but gain steam ?

The walker breed was started in the mid 1800's by a man named George Washington Maupin and Hiram Walker his foundation stud was a Black and Tan named Tennesee Lead,Mr Lester Nance done a lot for the Walker breed but this was 100 years later,mid 1950's.Do a google search on walker history and you will find my information too be rite.

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Posted by kycooner1 on 07-06-2008 02:35 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by bearhunter
Re read your 1st post .

"Walkers were the 1st coonhound breed."

Walkers were a part of the English breed till the early 40,s then got thier own register as walkers treeing,,then later changed too what we know today as the Treeing Walker.And i'm sure my info is correct,,google it and find out,,i am presently studying the history of each breed.

Posted by Justin Smith on 07-06-2008 03:49 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by kycooner1
The walker breed was started in the mid 1800's by a man named George Washington Maupin and Hiram Walker his foundation stud was a Black and Tan named Tennesee Lead,Mr Lester Nance done a lot for the Walker breed but this was 100 years later,mid 1950's.Do a google search on walker history and you will find my information too be rite.

Running Walkers and Treeing Walkers are not the same breed , lol .... I grew up listening too Goodmans , Walkers and all kinds of other running hounds ... but , coonhounds are a different kind of hound .

Posted by jackbob42 on 07-06-2008 04:01 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by kycooner1
The walker breed was started in the mid 1800's by a man named George Washington Maupin and Hiram Walker his foundation stud was a Black and Tan named Tennesee Lead,Mr Lester Nance done a lot for the Walker breed but this was 100 years later,mid 1950's.Do a google search on walker history and you will find my information too be rite.

No , your information is not right.
Read the sign. Lead was the foundation sire of the Walker FOXHOUND.
Originally , Walkers were a strain/line of foxhounds. Just like the Trigg's and the Goodman's. They were just strains/lines.
Lester Nance's White River King was the first ever Registered Treeing Walker COONHOUND.

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Posted by kycooner1 on 07-06-2008 04:30 AM:

Heres the link,,it states TREEING WALKER COONHOUND Its funny Thomas Hiram Walker is who the breed is named for, not treeing nances

Except for the Plott coonhound all coonhound breeds in America can trace their ancestry back to foxhounds brought to America from England in colonial times. It is thought that the first foxhounds ever brought to America arrived in 1650 by a man of the name of Robert Brooke.
http://www.5stardog.com/dog-breeds-...r-coonhound.asp

Posted by jackbob42 on 07-06-2008 11:03 AM:

" History of the Treeing Walker Coonhound Breed
The development of the Treeing Walker Coonhound is credited to Thomas Walker and George Washington Maupin. The history of most coonhounds recognized by the UKC is deeply rooted in the lineage of the dogs imported by these two men. Thomas Walker of Albemarle County, Virginia imported the English foxhound to Virginia in 1742. George Washington Maupin, from Kentucky, also imported several hounds from England in 1770. These dogs became the foundation for the Virginia hounds that were developed into the Walker hound. Sometime in the 1800s, the lineage of the Walker hound split from the ancestry they share with other coonhounds, when �Tennessee Lead� was crossed into the Walker Hound breed. Tennessee Lead was a stolen dog from Tennessee of unknown origin. Lead was a powerful dog with excellent drive, speed, and hunting skills. He didn�t look like the Virginia strain of English foxhounds either, notably different was his clear, short mouth. Initially registered with the UKC as part of the English coonhound breed, the Walkers were registered of their own right in 1945, first as Walkers (Treeing) and later as Treeing Walkers. The Treeing Walker breed excels in its ability to run and tree game. Some Treeing Walkers can literally climb the tree after its prey, however it can be trained to simply howl to let its owner know that the prey is cornered. "

Well , let's see.........
It says Thomas Walker imported foxhounds from England in 1742. And then the sign says it was 1852 ( 90 years later ) when Lead ( a black & tan hound ) was stolen out of a " deer chase " ( running dog ) and sold to Maupin.
So , the way I figure it , Walker was at least 18 when he imported the hounds from England , so that would have made him at least 108 years old when Lead became the foundation sire. Possibly still alive , but not likely , so I don't see how he could have had anything to do with developing these hounds into coonhounds.
It wasn't until Lester Nance and friends started breeding them running dogs ( in the 1930's ) into tree dogs and for the the tri-color , that you see today , that they were developed into the Treeing Walker coonhound of today.
And it was Lester Nance who first got them registered as " Treeing Walkers " with the Full Cry Kennel Club. UKC didn't register them as such until 1978.
If they were coonhounds in the 1700 & 1800's , why were they still called " foxhounds " in the 1930's?

" Some Treeing Walkers can literally climb the tree after its prey, however it can be trained to simply howl to let its owner know that the prey is cornered. "

I've never see a walker dog that could climb any better than any of the other breeds , so this statement has me wondering about the author and just how much he really knew ! LOL

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Posted by Majestic Tree H on 07-06-2008 12:54 PM:

This is Lester's Ad from a 1950 Full Cry..

Posted by Rex W Sims on 07-06-2008 01:22 PM:

Here's a artical that Mr. Nance wrote......

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Posted by Majestic Tree H on 07-06-2008 02:11 PM:

I think you all are Missing a few Other breeds that were introduce into the Treeing Walker Breed !!!

Field Trials Were BIG $$$ And Lester and Friends Wanted A Piece of the Action..

Only One hound in the World "Sports A Head" like these Walkers Do..

Posted by Majestic Tree H on 07-06-2008 02:19 PM:

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