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Back of score card or coonhound advisor???

Which of these are we suppose to go by when hunting a ukc hunt??? Has anyone else noticed some rule differences.

I have not noticed any contradictions, just which rules are you talking about? I have seen where the Advisor cleared some things up, but nothing that contradicted the back of the card. I am curious as to what you found, fill us in please.

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The advisor. The back of the scorecard is for quick reference.

I believe what Nick is getting at, we (Nick and I), have discussed that there are situations in that the MOH isn't going with what the Advisor says and basically says if it isn't on the back of the card, he isn't looking at it. We was just kind of wondering what is the point of the The Advisor if it can't be used in a hunt? I just recived mine last week and just previewed some of the rules that was dicussed in the book. I noticed some rules that isn't being applied correctly either by hunters or MOH. I feel that every cast needs on of these books when they go hunting and that every MOH needs one when they are at a hunt. That way if a questions arises, then the MOH should first look at the Advisor so see if there is a situation in the book that can be applied to the question on the cast. I feel a lot of these disagreements can be resolved before things get out of hand.

Just my two cents....

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One more thought we discussed, say the MOH doesn't go with what is in the Advisor, can we then write a complaint form on the situation to possiably overturn the decision?

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Originally posted by Bryan Davis
One more thought we discussed, say the MOH doesn't go with what is in the Advisor, can we then write a complaint form on the situation to possiably overturn the decision?

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Originally posted by Darrell
MOH's and hunters who ignore the Advisor intepretations are exactly the reason we needed it in the first place...

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If the MOH is wrong or refuses to accept the Advisor you can follow the formal complaint procedure and bring it to a panel. If you don't make the formal complaint, the MOH is right even if he's wrong. My understanding is that you cannot dispute or question any decision made by the MOH unless you have first made a formal complaint. All formal complaints have to be forwarded to UKC for their review. So if the MOH says " I'm not useing nothin that ain't on the back of that card", file your formal complaint and supposedly that MOH will get his chance to say that to UKC.

The rules that stick out are the stationary tree, I had no idea ukc had this I thought it was just pkc and in ukc I was always under the impression that on a split vote the judge overrules, and according to the advisor you eother delete or cicle the tree on a split decision. Maybe I'm just a dumb hillbilly and every body already knew this? LOL

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Originally posted by nick miller
The rules that stick out are the stationary tree, I had no idea ukc had this I thought it was just pkc and in ukc I was always under the impression that on a split vote the judge overrules, and according to the advisor you eother delete or cicle the tree on a split decision. Maybe I'm just a dumb hillbilly and every body already knew this? LOL

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It is in the part about the cast not being able to decide on if game was a coon or junk. Around the first part of the book...

I didn't know UKC had a stationary rule??? Where is it, I've read other things about scoring trees but nothing like the PKC stationary rule

I do believe this is a good year to get some hard rules written into the UKC rule book,

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Mark,
You won't find the stationary rule anywhere in the rule book but it is covered in the Advisor. UKC does allow a judge to put the time on a dog treeing and inform the cast that time has started, if no one claims the treed dog then when the five is up the judge can proceed to the tree and score the tree and award points according to the situation.

Mark,
I am with you on that rule. I never knew that UKC had a stationary rule until I read my Advisor book. Just like Allen said you put the time on the dog after the judge has made the decision that the dog is treed and the handler doesn't tree him. During the time that the JUDGE puts on the dog, the handler himself can declare the dog tree during the 5 minutes. If the handler does tree his dog, a new 5 mintues is started. If the handler doesn't tree his dog and the five runs out, then the judge procedes to score the tree as follows:

1. If coon is seen, then strike points will be minused and nothing on tree..

2. If it is slick or off game(registered) then tree points will be assigned and both strike and tree will be minused...

3. If it is a den or a legimate circle tree, then strike will only be circled...

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bryan i disagree with this rule whole heartedly. i think this person should be scratched for none handling of his dog if coon is seen in this dogs tree. and minused on the tree and strike if slick or a den. that is my opion on this rule. i also think if you go to a tree and the five is up on the tree and lets that two dogs are treed during the five and then after the five the other two come into the tree and are there upon your arrival then the next aviable tree points should be given to one or both dogs and scord on if coon is seen, den or slick tree points should be minused for me to'en then their strike points minused on coon, den or strike because obviously they quit what ever track that was started.