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Posted by MTN VALLEY HANK on 02-04-2008 12:56 PM:

Question On Scoring Tree

4 DOGGS TREEING 1 DOG LEAVES BIG RED OAK TREE WITH LOTS OF VINES AND A SQUARREL NEST. TWO CAST MEMBERS VOT TO MINUS TREE 2 VOT TO CIRCLE . WHAT IS THE FINAL CALL TO BE MADE? TREE DELEATED?

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Posted by Dogwhisper on 02-04-2008 05:05 PM:

The tree shoud be scored the way the judge of this cast scores it,with the option to be ?'ed by the other handlers,if ?'ed take back to MOH for a decision by him.This is a judgement call.We all know how the MOH will rule here.If 2 againt 2 MOH will go with judge,if 3 to 1 majority rules.Even if the 1 is the judge!!!The tree should not be deleted it should be scored!!


Posted by josh on 02-04-2008 05:07 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Dogwhisper
The tree shoud be scored the way the judge of this cast scores it,with the option to be ?'ed by the other handlers,if ?'ed take back to MOH for a decision by him.This is a judgement call.We all know how the MOH will rule here.If 2 againt 2 MOH will go with judge,if 3 to 1 majority rules.Even if the 1 is the judge!!!


And that would be wrong....

Tree is circled, end of story.


Posted by arkiehunter on 02-04-2008 05:15 PM:

wrong??

quote:
Originally posted by Dogwhisper
The tree shoud be scored the way the judge of this cast scores it,with the option to be ?'ed by the other handlers,if ?'ed take back to MOH for a decision by him.This is a judgement call.We all know how the MOH will rule here.If 2 againt 2 MOH will go with judge,if 3 to 1 majority rules.Even if the 1 is the judge!!!The tree should not be deleted it should be scored!!



From all the rules I know, if the judge is one of the two to minus, then the tree is minused. If he was one ot the ones to circle, then the tree is circled. The card can be questioned at that time, but it takes a majority vote to overturn what the judge calls. Dogwhisper is right.

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Posted by Josh Howard on 02-04-2008 05:21 PM:

The tree should be circled. Tree can't be plussed or minused unless you have a majority vote.

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Posted by on 02-04-2008 05:25 PM:

It is amazing how many believe a judges vote is worth more when scoring a tree.


Posted by crossbblues on 02-04-2008 05:26 PM:

if tie vote....... delete.......


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Posted by on 02-04-2008 05:42 PM:

Is there, in fact, any situation where it is permitted to delete a tree, other than returning to previously scored tree, under UKC rules?


Posted by Dan Dogs on 02-04-2008 05:51 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
Is there, in fact, any situation where it is permitted to delete a tree, other than returning to previously scored tree, under UKC rules?
interference jim (like two cast)mixing up on the same tree..

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Posted by ROCK N ROLL on 02-04-2008 06:05 PM:

That's why those rules are printed on the back of the card guys. Under #17 general information rule #4 states go with judge when vote is two and two. The other hunters reserve the right to still question the call, but it is put on the card for what the judge decides.

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Posted by crossbblues on 02-04-2008 06:11 PM:

knew id throw a kink posting delete... and yes,mark it is judges scored and place a quetion........ see rule 18 paragraph 4....


Posted by josh on 02-04-2008 06:13 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by ROCK N ROLL
That's why those rules are printed on the back of the card guys. Under #17 general information rule #4 states go with judge when vote is two and two.


No wonder everone is always getting cheated...


Posted by on 02-04-2008 06:18 PM:

Rock and Roll, that rule applies to every situation EXCEPT:
Scoring a tree
Calling timeout
Checking to see if dogs have
returned to a previously scored
tree.

Scoring a tree under a hunting judge is alway a cast vote with every vote, includeing the judges vote, being exactly equal. If the vote is 2-2, the tree is circled.


Posted by Dan Dogs on 02-04-2008 06:22 PM:

its funny how one set of rules differ by region!!lol

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Posted by Allen / UKC on 02-04-2008 06:56 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Josh Howard
The tree should be circled. Tree can't be plussed or minused unless you have a majority vote.


Josh is absolutley right. His answer would be consistent with Rules 3 and 4 where it states "majority of cast" when it comes to scoring trees plus or minus. 2-2 is not majority and are circled. Never deleted.


Posted by ROCK N ROLL on 02-04-2008 06:59 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
Rock and Roll, that rule applies to every situation EXCEPT:
Scoring a tree
Calling timeout
Checking to see if dogs have
returned to a previously scored
tree.

Scoring a tree under a hunting judge is alway a cast vote with every vote, includeing the judges vote, being exactly equal. If the vote is 2-2, the tree is circled.

BOY, i wish i was able to put those funny little cartoons on here. My first statement stills holds true. Rules are right on the back, if theres a question about a rules just keep reading.By the way, was you calling me the cheat !!!

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Posted by HARRY EXNER on 02-04-2008 07:28 PM:

look at the coonhoud advisor (june 2005) "to minus or circle".


Posted by elvis on 02-04-2008 07:40 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by josh
No wonder everone is always getting cheated...




josh
how did you come by that pic of sheepster on his computer? LOL


Posted by josh on 02-04-2008 08:24 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by elvis
josh
how did you come by that pic of sheepster on his computer? LOL



I kinda miss that guy......well, not really...

Rock and roll,

No sir, I wasnt calling you a cheat at all..

It just seems people being cheated tend to be the same ones that dont understand the rules very well.


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