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Posted by SCBluetickGirl on 11-29-2007 02:50 PM:

Randy Sexton's December Article

Randy announced the completion of his December article dealing with statistics and his "revised" project the other day. I don't see the thread anymore, so I'm assuming that it got deleted. I think things got a little out of hand, and I probably contributed to that, so out of respect for Randy I'm reposting the link for those that didn't get a chance to read it and respond. It's an interesting read and worth your time!

http://www.worldclassbreeder.com/Articles.html

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Posted by jay brademeyer on 11-30-2007 01:10 AM:

sounds to me this fella is going to raise some goodans. you black breeders better look out, he going to breed you fellas right out of buisness.
.........what wins it what dictates what we hunt and breed. like it or not.

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Posted by jerry chapman on 11-30-2007 01:21 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by jay brademeyer
sounds to me this fella is going to raise some goodans. you black breeders better look out, he going to breed you fellas right out of buisness.
.........what wins it what dictates what we hunt and breed. like it or not.

Jay sounds like you Walker guys better watch it......you guys aparently dont get it..he's wanting the dogs to be "Black and Tan" colored....and spotted on the inside...so when he(or his dogs) win the big hunts they'll be Black and Tans not Walkers.I think its a disgrace to both breeds,but if you like it.......

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Posted by Buckshot on 11-30-2007 01:22 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by jay brademeyer
sounds to me this fella is going to raise some goodans. you black breeders better look out, he going to breed you fellas right out of buisness.
.........what wins it what dictates what we hunt and breed. like it or not.

The only problem he will face is he can only register them crossbreed in PKC.........so they only have 1 avenue to compete in.

Pleasure Hounds...........the sky is the limit.

Posted by Dogwood English on 11-30-2007 01:27 AM:

very interesting thoughts. this pretty much shows what is happening with the different breeds. i am English and used to be Walker. i am trying to produce some different blood the will be consistant

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Posted by T.Beyer on 11-30-2007 02:38 AM:

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Originally posted by Buckshot
The only problem he will face is he can only register them crossbreed in PKC.........so they only have 1 avenue to compete in.

Pleasure Hounds...........the sky is the limit.

They can be single registered as Black and Tans, if they meet breed standards on color, and they pass the other requirements.

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Posted by Buckshot on 11-30-2007 02:42 AM:

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Originally posted by T.Beyer
They can be single registered as Black and Tans, if they meet breed standards on color, and they pass the other requirements.

Tracy, after the Hardrock incident, the B&T Association changed the single registration rules.

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American Black and Tan Coonhound Association Single Registration

WHEN OPEN?

Single registration is open every year. Single Registration is open from the 1st of September until October 31.

REQUIREMENTS

Person wishing to single registration must be a member of the American Black and Tan Coonhound Association.

Black and Tan coonhounds are eligible that meet the UKC Black and Tan Breed Standards. You must have in your possession a complete three generation ancestral pedigree. Black and Tan must be able to open trail a raccoon and hold tree for five (5) minutes.

THe 3 Generation Pedigree has to be B&T.

Posted by T.Beyer on 11-30-2007 03:08 AM:

Yup, looks like PKC for that group of dogs then lol. I stand corrected!

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Posted by jay brademeyer on 11-30-2007 03:39 AM:

to me color has nothing to do with it. i just hapened to find my type of hound to be produced more consistantly in the walker breed. thats why i prefer them over the others. but if someone can improve on that, great. bottom line they are all trailing treedogs, with differant colors. they all pretty much trace back to the same foundation. if i found a purple dog that would get deep, get struck with a big time horn, skip and drift a track, die dead with an impressive locate , and turn it over to a hard never ending pounding chop. i would hunt him .

Posted by Buckshot on 11-30-2007 03:41 AM:

I agree..........LOL, cept I am not a Walker fan.

That is what is nice with PKC, there is that avenue to run the crossbreed hounds and still compete against the registered dogs if you choose to go that route.

Posted by Razoo97 on 12-01-2007 12:54 AM:

Coonhounds.

The percentages he showed does not mean squat. The walker dog is the most popular for what ever reason. The English have gained popularity since the late 80's. Of course with time, and so many people breeding dogs, a breed can get farther and farther away from it's true bred characteristics and they will continue to get even farther cross breeding them. If he is breeding something he is not completely satisfied with, he is not fixing the problem, he is just dragging another bred into it, to make a coondog Gumbo!

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Posted by elvis on 12-01-2007 03:01 AM:

He likes the looks of a black and tan,but cant find any that measure up to his standards,so he has decided to build his own.

Were his expectations too high when he set out to breed a "purebred" black and tan that suited him?

I wish Randy the best of luck.
I certainly am not gonna bet against him.

Posted by rance56 on 12-01-2007 07:00 AM:

is what im having a hardtime believing is he made this switch to walker dogs after one night of hunting, 3 trees and ONE coon seen.

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Posted by Justin Smith on 12-01-2007 10:02 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by rance56
is what im having a hardtime believing is he made this switch to walker dogs after one night of hunting, 3 trees and ONE coon seen.

LOL , maybe he made the switch after many nights of hunting B&T's or seeing how B&T breeders and hunters treat folks .

Posted by FLYINGREDS on 12-01-2007 12:43 PM:

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Originally posted by Justin Smith
LOL , maybe he made the switch after many nights of hunting B&T's or seeing how B&T breeders and hunters treat folks .

Justin does it ever seem like the people you agree with on here are just as retarded as you.I've read some of your posts and i dont think the black and tan guys hate you....in fact i think you've been invited to come to black and tan days by more than one of them....since they have youth casts' and senior casts' at the hunts maybe ukc will come up with a "RETARD" cast and you and both of your friends can hunt agianst each other!!!

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Posted by Justin Smith on 12-01-2007 01:27 PM:

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Originally posted by FLYINGREDS
Justin does it ever seem like the people you agree with on here are just as retarded as you.I've read some of your posts and i dont think the black and tan guys hate you....in fact i think you've been invited to come to black and tan days by more than one of them....since they have youth casts' and senior casts' at the hunts maybe ukc will come up with a "RETARD" cast and you and both of your friends can hunt agianst each other!!!

All that will do is get another thread deleted , is that your goal ?

I am one of the few that knows how many hunts I've been to or B&T hunts I've entered .... you can't know that unless I tell you , which I haven't.

An invite to a hunt does not make the drive , time or want-to happen ... an invite is automatically extended to anyone who wants to attend .

I have on several occasions invited folks to hunt , when it got serious and I made it clear I only intend to hunt with folks who want to come and have a good time ... the challenges dissapear .

Posted by Justin Smith on 12-01-2007 01:33 PM:

There is a reason that Walkers are so dominant .. it is NOT chance or luck.

More breeders and hunters of the colored dogs are MORE worried about pedigree , color or looks than the Walker hunters are ... by far .. far , far , far.

As soon as you state you won't breed anything but this color , that pedigree or that type .... you have limited your resources and selection.

Your counterpart who sets NO limititations on his breeding , just standards ... has beaten you before you ever started.

Posted by John D on 12-01-2007 05:45 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by rance56
is what im having a hardtime believing is he made this switch to walker dogs after one night of hunting, 3 trees and ONE coon seen.

I think when he saw that 50% of the reg. fees being paid are on Walkers, he realized he was going to have to go Walker to sell magazines. There is nothing Walker guys like more than to see B&T's crossed with Walkers.

quote:
Originally posted by Justin Smith
LOL , maybe he made the switch after many nights of hunting B&T's or seeing how B&T breeders and hunters treat folks .

You have no idea.

B&T breeders and hunters bent over backwards for him. I believe somewhere around half the pups in his project were donated by B&T breeders. I'm not real sure, but I think Gerald Hacker pretty much gave him a good broke coondog to hunt, and something he was able to carry to B&T Days and hunt. When he got in over his head and got more pups than he could hunt, B&T guys came to his rescue and took some of them. At one time, some of his panel of experts were B&T guys that were trying to help him out. He doesn't mention any of these guys in his articles anymore. Many in the B&T breed have helped him out but I have yet to see him work hard or work smart or so much as lift his little finger to help the B&T breed. Its been a ONE WAY street. Lets keep that straight...

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Posted by on 12-01-2007 06:04 PM:

I wish I was still a Coonhound Message Board trouble maker. I could have some fun with this one. All I will say is God Bless and I hope whatever you breed you make the right desicison and the outcome is one you like.

Posted by tracy payne on 12-01-2007 06:11 PM:

randy sexton

i think you can cross out the many nights of hunting. randy is not a coonhunter he just likes to see his name in the paper. easy to do when your the writer,editor and publisher. the last time randy went hunting he shot himself in the foot.the walker guys wont tolerate him long either.

Posted by cnhntr@wrk on 12-01-2007 06:33 PM:

Walker Vs English Vs Blk tan vs ect....

Guys if you talk to the real old timers they will just about all tell you that alot of times your best hounds are cross breed. I am a English Man now I use to hunt walkers but I felt the breed had left what I really like in a hound. I am not saying that all walkers are bad I still go with some good ones and would own one if it was the right dog. I have been breeding and training my own stock of dogs now for about 8yrs. I know that this doesn't qualify me as a world renowned breeder and I don't claim to be. But fellas I am seriously considering breeding one of my females to STYLISH RUBE..... Has any one seen the hooch dog cross breed dog. I think he looks great and if he can fly on a track and have a coon LET CONFORMATION FALL WHERE IT MAY.

HARD TIME SPECK ONE OF THE MOST FAMOUS ENGLISH DOGS OF THIS ERA. (WALKER DOG) NUFF SAID.

AND IF I DON'T CHANGE MY MIND I WILL BE HEADING TO WVA. TO BREED TO RUBE, BECAUSE GUYS WHEN I HUNTED WALKERS HE HAS EVERYTHING I LIKE IN A WALKER WRAPPED INTO ONE HIDE....

HAYS, NIGHT HEAT, CLOVER I LIKE IT.. STYLISH GRIZZLY.....SOUNDS NICE.

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Posted by elvis on 12-01-2007 09:08 PM:

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Originally posted by John D
There is nothing Walker guys like more than to see B&T's crossed with Walkers.

hmmm
for some reason i have never felt the need to add a shot of black and tan to what i was hunting.

randy sure stirred up a hornets nest by posting facts.

i know one man that started off with a million dollars,the very best black and tans and handlers money could buy,and a burning desire to win world hunts. he couldnt get it done.
he went to walkers and has singlehandedly won more world hunts than the other 5 breeds combined.
i have never ever heard him say that we need to start breeding black and tans into these walkers. i will speak with him later today,and if i dont forget,i will ask him what he thinks.LOL

Posted by wjpen3324 on 12-01-2007 09:13 PM:

when did every thing come down to winning i have been coonhunting for a long time .i have hunted black&tans mostly but i have hunted walkerdogs to and when i load up to go to a hunt i go to have fun and hunt with diffirent people and diffirent dog if i win a hunt that is a plus i hunt black&tans because that is what i like to hunt but i do not want to hunt a croos breed dog that is why there are diffirent breeds so everybody can hunt what they like so why cross breed just hunt the breed that satisfys you nobody esle has got to feed that dog but you

Posted by Wingman66 on 12-01-2007 09:14 PM:

rofl @ Bruce. I hear ya I could really get the bluetickers stirred up on this one....

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Posted by John D on 12-01-2007 10:14 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by elvis
for some reason i have never felt the need to add a shot of black and tan to what i was hunting.

I never said serious walker guys wanted to add B&T , I just said they like to see it done. It makes for cheap entertainment for them more than anything. Its kind of like being at the mall and laughing at a handicapped person, right?

As for your "one man", I imagine he learned a few other things about what it takes to win, over the years. Or maybe he got more money, lol. When you are talking to him, ask him if he thinks there is a B&T alive right now, that is capable of beating his best walker on any given night. If he says "no", he's lying. If he says, "yes", then he could improve his walkers by breeding to a B&T.

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