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Posted by Majestic Tree H on 09-27-2007 02:45 PM:

Our Battle With PARVO

Well Let me start with How we can in contact with the Virus ..
Sunday Sept the 16th I took three Hounds and 6 puppys "13 weeks old" Bear hunting, I was Free Casting the 3 hounds and walking the 6 pups. Well the 3 hounds jumped a bear out of a Laurel Day Bed and it was a real Hot run.. Well to say the least my hounds got Burn on the race.. And I walked the pups back to the truck and waited on the hounds to come in 2-1/2 hours later..
While I was waiting at the truck with the pups and few other Bear hunters came by and we BS awhile and they were looking for 2 Lost hounds.. Well my hounds started showing up so I loaded them up with the pups and Headed for home, 2 miles down the road their was a nice look Plott hound standing in the road so I loaded him in with my Hounds and Pups and took the hound back to the bear hunters that were looking for them.. Well thats How I got the Virus !!

Three days later the first of 9 pups started showing signs of Parvo "Weight Loss and red blood stools" well I kept the pup seperated from the other pups and took him to the Vets for Testing and IVs.

Well after leaving the Vet and their out look was very Dim for the pups "The only thing they could do is Put them on IV.s for a week or so"
I went stright to the Farm Co-Op and started looking for "Something that could Help"
When PARVO starts it Voids everything within the pups at both ends !! Then Bacteria incresses within the Pups System..

Woops Forgot to Mention All of the Pups have had a searies of 3 7-Way inc. Parvo Vac.. They had their last Vac 1 week prior to their infection..

OK the first thing I grabed was a product called "Liquid SPECTAM"
"Scour-Halt" it is a Oral Solution for Pig Scours its an Anti-Infective
It is made By "AmTech" Cost is around $22.00 and you give 2cc twice a day.

The next thing I grabed was "Neomycin Oral Solution" it is an "Antibacterial" made by "Durvet" and it is very cheep around $5.00 for a pint.. You Give 1-1/2 cc twice a day.

The third Item is "A-Lite Concentrate" "Electrolites" Made by "Durvet" You give 2cc twice a day..and its about the same price $5.00

I mixed all three together and gave it all at once in the pups mouth.. Now if it come back up try again with smaller amounts at a time, its only 5cc mixed altogether..

All nine Pups got PARVO but this salution Cut the total time of the Parvo efects down to 3 days..

4 of the 9 pups became so dehydrated that I had to take them in for a IVs under the skin "1/2 Base ball sized on each side.. This cost $21 for each pup once.

THIS IS ALL 9 PUPS 2 DAYS AFTER TREATMENT !!

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Posted by mjflores on 09-27-2007 03:03 PM:

Yeah, Parvo can hit pretty quick. I'll keep that treatment in mind.

I'm surprised to hear your majestics quit a hot bear track so quickly...do they always do that? I thought they were super gritty run to catch style bear dogs.

Just curious if your pups were vaccinated against parvo? Kinda scary, I'm hearing of allot of pups that are up on their shots still wind up coming down with it this year and last. I wonder if the vaccines aren't as strong as they need to be or if the disease is becoming resistant.

Good luck with your puppies, they're nice looking!

Posted by Majestic Tree H on 09-28-2007 01:08 PM:

They were bought from our Local Farmer Co-Op and I checked all the Dates on them and they were as fresh as you could get. All were kept cold they even gave me cold packs to get home 15Min at the most.. "Solo Jec-7"

Posted by Buckshot on 09-28-2007 01:23 PM:

Steve another thing to think about is how the CO-OP received the shots. Did they become to warm in transit or were not properly shipped to the CO-OP? I have heard of folks buying shots at CO-OPs that there dogs picked up Parvo...........If the vaccination did not arrive properly at the CO-OP....doesn't matter how they stored it and how you transported it home..........they would be useless and offer no protection.

I pay a couple dollars more for my shots by buying the same shot my vet would give by buying directly from her....It's a little more piece of mind knowing that the shots were handled with extreme care.

Posted by Doug Robinson on 09-28-2007 03:44 PM:

Parvo

Even properly vaccinated with properly shipped and handled vaccines, pups can still come down with parvo there is no gurantee. You do the best you can.

There is also no gurantee any shipper can provide 100 proper handling and care , again you try to go with the one you feel you can trust.

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Posted by Majestic Tree H on 09-28-2007 03:46 PM:

I did Check on that !! All Vac. Are Delivered by the Pharm. Disturbitor in a Refrig. Van. The Vets 3 Different ones said "TIMING" of the Vac. and that its still a crap shoot..

All these pups were Weaned early around 5 weeks old so that puts the Bitches Imunities running out around 1-1/2 to 2 weeks later in the pups any Vac. given prior to that just do not work so I gave them their first Vac. at 7 weeks old then 9 weeks old then 12 weeks old, then I give a Parvo Only "Canine Spectra PARVO" ,"Serial No. 20312B thur 8 other No." at 13 weeks old.. They Were infected a week later.

All the Vets said that alot of Fokes are "Over Doing The Vac.s" and causing a "Riff" in the Pups Immune Sys. by Vac. earlier than 5 weeks old and giving as much as 4 Vac. before the pups are less than 4 months old..

Posted by Doug Robinson on 09-28-2007 03:50 PM:

Info from the message board

Vets Opinion
Just wanted to clear a couple of things up here on Parvo. Giving one vaccination does nothing to protect a puppy from Parvo virus. The first vaccine basically neutralizes (uses up) the maternal antibodies that the pup already has in its system which theoretically makes it even more prone to Parvo virus. The second, third and fourth vaccine activates the immune system to provide antibodies to protect the pup against parvo virus. So there is a big window of opportunity here when vaccinating pups which usually occurs between 3 and 4 months of age. This is why I'm strongly against taking pups of this age to fairgrounds. I've seen so many pups die from various diseases picked up at fairgrounds including coccidia, parvo, and hookworms or a combination of the above.

The other misconception is that giving more vaccinations provides more immunity. This appears to be true up to 4 vaccines separated 3 weeks apart. It is highly possible to cause a weakening of the immune system from over vaccination and challenging the immune system in pups. It is common to see pups coming from breeders that receive vaccinations every 2 weeks and by the 4th vaccination these pups break with a vaccine associated parvo like disease. The ideal time frame for vaccinating pups has been found to be every 3 weeks starting from the time the pup is weaned from the mother. It is also important that the pup receive its last parvo vaccination at or after 4 months of age. Most of the major vaccination companies are currently recommending 4 vaccines , 3 weeks apart starting at 6-8 weeks of age and giving the last one at 4 months or older.

Early detection and treatment of Parvo will usually provide the best outcomes. I don't know any veterinarian that likes to treat parvo cases and it does create a huge risk for hospital born infections to other dogs. I know of many veterinarians who turn them away in this area and send them down the road to someone who will hospitalize them. I've had great success teaching people how to treat their pups at home. The key here is fluids, fluids, fluids. The maintenance fluid rate on a healthy 10 pound puppy is approx. 11 ml per hour or 260 ml per day. A puppy that is suffering from parvo is 2-3 x that level depending on how much fluids are being lost from vomiting and diarrhea. The best way to monitor this is weighing them daily and watching for signs of dehydration ie. picking up the skin on the tops of their head, neck, back and watching for signs of skin tenting where the skin doesn't fall back fast to the body after picking up away from the body and releasing. Mucous membranes of the mouth should also be moist and not sticky or dry. Most parvo cases will require 2 x maintenance or 1/2 liter per 10 pounds of body weight of fluids per day. The only way to achieve that consistently is with either IV fluids or SQ fluids. It is very difficult to get that much fluid into a pup orally and there are many cases that cannot hold anything down orally. Pedialyte is an alternative solution in mild cases, but will not do much in severe cases where vomiting is difficult to control.

If you want to treat parvo cases at home, then get your hands on Lactated Ringers Solution which can be purchased in 250ml, 1 Liter, 3 Liter, or 5 Liter bags. Place an IV set on the fluid bag and an 18 gauge needle on the end of the IV set and hang the bag up high to allow for good gravity. Place the needle under a skin tent created by picking up the skin on the shoulders and running the fluids under the skin to create a large softball appearing mass under the skin. These fluids will absorb fast, usually within a few hours. I recommend splitting up the daily requirement into at least 4 treatments 8 hours apart.

It is also important to treat for secondary bacterial infections in these pups since most parvo cases will have a secondary bacterial ie. E.Coli infection present. I like to use either Gentocin or Baytril antibiotics for the first few days. Baytril is a very safe antibiotic to use in pups for a short period of time (less than 5 days) but extensive use over this time frame has lead to cartilage growth problems in fast growing pups. You can buy Gentocin in farm stores but I don't like using this over 3 days on pups because of the risk of kidney damage. I've mixed up bags of Lactated Ringers Solution along with Baytril antibiotic/vitamin B-complex and B12/ Metoclopramide (anti-vomiting)/ and Famotadine (Pepcid-AC) for my clients who couldn't afford in hospital treatment of Parvo cases. This works really well.

A bland diet of boiled chicken breast and rice ground up and softened works well to enhance eating. You can also purchase prescription diet I/D or Eukanuba Low Residue from the veterinarian which works great for these cases.

New research shows a great benefit of starting Tamaflu on parvo pups early on with significant improvements in treatment success. This has to be started in the first 24 hours of detection of the infection to have much benefit however. The goverment was also hoarding Tamaflu and putting in storage for potential future outbreaks of Avian Influenza in humans so its availability can be sketchy at times. I think everyone should have a bottle of this stuff in their medicine cabinet.

Bleach is a great cleaning solution and is parvocidal. There is no solution proven better than Bleach at killing Parvo at this time. Mix the bleach with water at a concentration of 1:20 for kennel dissenfection and 1:40 for cleaning counters, utensils etc.. Remove all organic material such as feces, food etc. from the area first and let bleach stand on the area for at least 30 minutes prior to rinsing off. You can also treat the lawn with a dilute bleach solution to help kill off Parvo virus, but the virus is very hardy being an enveloped virus and can hide out in soil for close to a year.

Once a pup recovers from Parvo virus it can be naturally immune to Parvo for life. We still recommend vaccinating for Parvo though every three years and usually give the pup a month to recover before finishing vaccinations. Most dogs that make it past one year of age are naturally immune to Parvo from exposure. The most common breeds we see developing Parvo are Rottweillers and Pitbulls and most are on poor nutritional programs with no history of being vaccinated. I can't emphasize the importance of good nutrition in pups and routine deworming and flea control. Pups should be dewormed every 2 weeks starting at 6 weeks of age until they are 4 months old and then monthly. I like a combination of pyrantel pamoate/febentel as found in Drontal Plus or alternating the two each time you deworm. You can buy the horse dewormers in a liquid formulation and dose at 1ml/10# for each solution. I like Frontline for flea prevention at 8 weeks of age and used at least monthly for flea and tick prevention. I also recommend the Heartgard Plus tablets once a month for heartworm/hookworm/ and roundworm prevention. These should be started at 8 weeks of age as well.

Posted by hellcat on 09-28-2007 04:02 PM:

Great Info Doug

I think that should be kept on this page.
Jess

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Posted by Doug Robinson on 09-28-2007 06:43 PM:

Jess

I didn't compose it.......I remembered reading it called it up and copied it over here......good info tho.

Posted by hellcat on 09-29-2007 01:45 PM:

AW !!!!!!!!

I was just thinking Da_n !!! This guy is Really Smart, Now I find out that you are like the rest of us.<LOL>
Great info. anyway
Jess

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Posted by Majestic Tree H on 09-29-2007 02:44 PM:

Just One of the Pups 5 days after PARVO.. As you can tell She "Queen Kong" has gained all her weight back plus a few #### 15 weeks old and 44#

Posted by mudman on 09-30-2007 10:22 PM:

are those the pups off KONG?? how much for the one on teh dirt mound with his head on the dirt nice lookin pups

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Posted by pigsit on 05-15-2009 03:48 PM:

Thank you, this is great information, it gives us some insight and some idea of control. Thanks again.

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Posted by Majestic Tree H on 05-19-2009 05:05 PM:

Update with Photo

This is My PARVO Kit.. And if used as discribe in the Above Thread

Will work within 24 hours of the first Sign of PARVO

As a side Note : You can Make about the Same Stuff as the Scour Hault ,.. Buy some "Knox's Gelatin" Follow the Directions as "Knox's Blocks" Mix with warm Water the Neomicyn Liquid, Electro Lites and some Sugar .. Give to the Pups as warm Liquid.. The Gelatin will "Set up" in their System .. This acts as a Slow Release of Anti Bactrials,Electro lites and The Calories from the Sugar needed to Boost their system..

Just Rember keep a Good eye on your Litters always checking their Stools, Keep check on their Mositure by Plucking their Skin..

The Sooner you React when something Happens the better ..

Posted by dylan hatcher on 05-19-2009 08:40 PM:

i know a guy that got his shots from southern states and thats what gave them parvo... they didnt keep cold when it was shiped to them..

Posted by cedarhillkennel on 05-19-2009 09:20 PM:

MT , those tri color walker looking pups sure are purdy,my guess is they are already spoke for?

Posted by Majestic Tree H on 05-21-2009 12:13 PM:

I would Say So !! Those Pups are getting ready to turn 2 years old!!

Got 1 in Norway, 2 are in B.C., 1 in West Virginia, their are 3 in Virginia "Woops Forgot about "KONG's Ice Cream" She's in Va. Also" and 1 in AZ.

Queen KONG is Due on the 30th of this Month .. And she is as big as a House. Queen KONG X BIG Red Bear .. Very Excited to Say the Least !!

Here's Queen the One I was holding in the Photo

Here's Pac's-A-Lotto Lip One of the Pups in the upper photo ..

Now in Norway .. They Play with Badgers durring the Summer to keep tuned up for Lynx and Brown Bear Season .. As you can See them Hounds and Dog learn to Respect those badgers !!

Posted by cedarhillkennel on 05-21-2009 02:25 PM:

YEAH I FIGURED AS MUCH,AFTER I POSTED I SAW THE DATE ON YOUR ORIGINAL POST.

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