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Posted by K. Singletary on 07-24-2007 01:42 PM:

Tie Breakers

16. TIES:

All ties to be broken for UKC points. Dog will win out over other dog: dog that has the least number of minus points; if still a tie, dog that has the most plus tree points; if still a tie, dog that has the most plus strike points; if still a tie, dog that has the most circled tree points; if still a tie, dog that has the most circled strike points. If still a tie, dogs involved will hunt in one-hour intervals until tie is broken, or flip a coin if all parties agree.

When hunting to break a tie, should the dogs be caught after the hunt time expires and recast to hunt the 1 hour interval or should the cast continue for 1 hour after hunt time expires with dogs already loose. This came up this weekend and I don't know the answer.

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Posted by K. Singletary on 07-25-2007 01:14 PM:

btt

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Posted by Brian V on 07-25-2007 01:32 PM:

I dont know but i think you should go to the MOH for a deadline extension

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Posted by Wayne Deloach on 07-25-2007 02:35 PM:

Kenny, I don't think this is covered in the rules. I would think that you could continue the hunt or call time if the cast wanted to. If you continue the hunt would you restrike back in? The existing strike points are deleted at the end of regulation time. If you call time and try to catch the dogs to recast will you be scratched after an hour if you can't recover your dog? That's taking a chance. If you were old like me you would be reaching for a coin.

Posted by Dean Hutto on 07-25-2007 06:04 PM:

Why would you not catch the dogs and start a new hour basically from scratch??? If the two tied dogs were each holding strike and one is in a subdivision and one in a swamp...then that isn't at all fair..or say one of the dogs not involved in the tie is still out and comes treed it becomes a race to see who covers first. Dogs should be caught and an hour should be restarted when dogs are gathered if within an hour in accordance with the time out rule. Call UKC they will tell you that is right, I promise.

Posted by K. Singletary on 07-25-2007 06:13 PM:

Dean, honestly, I don't know. The rule is quoted above, I don't see where it tells you what to do. I tend to agree with calling the timeout, but it is also unfair to the dog that is in the woods hunting while the other is pecking around the subdivision. Which one do you think will be easier to get back in an hour?

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Posted by Kenneth Tavares on 07-25-2007 06:14 PM:

Dean you are putting both dogs in danger of being scratched for the hour. They are both working a track. Why call time out. If that is what you call a subdivision I must be rich.

The last dog was scored within 100 yards of where the subdivision dog was located.

Fair... If that fine hound would have continued to work its track instead of trying to cover another dog treed(over 1/2 mile away) it would have still been in that swamp.

I say one man wants to find an easy coon and the other wants to see who has the better dog. FINISH YOUR TRACK!!!

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Tone it down guys, or they will delete another good topic...

Posted by Dean Hutto on 07-25-2007 06:44 PM:

I'm not trying to argue wit hya'll because I like both of ya'll an realize my post was a little smart sounding but that is what UKC said on the phone. case and point is the rule nees clarifacation on the scorecard and in the rule book

Posted by K. Singletary on 07-25-2007 07:57 PM:

Dean, I'm not mad at all and am not arguing. It didn't involve me at all. I was asked what I thought and I didn't know the answer. Thought it might make for some interesting converstion on here. Nobody is giving any opinions so either nobody knows or they think it is a stupid question. I am fine with the answer you got from UKC, but they could post that answer on here so that everyone would know. You can't call UKC at 12:30 am when these things come up, I like to know ahead of time. Who knows, it may happen again this weekend. Are you coming to Norway?

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Posted by Allen / UKC on 07-25-2007 08:50 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Dean Hutto
Why would you not catch the dogs and start a new hour basically from scratch??? If the two tied dogs were each holding strike and one is in a subdivision and one in a swamp...then that isn't at all fair..or say one of the dogs not involved in the tie is still out and comes treed it becomes a race to see who covers first. Dogs should be caught and an hour should be restarted when dogs are gathered if within an hour in accordance with the time out rule. Call UKC they will tell you that is right, I promise.

No need to call! lol! Dean is correct. Remember that you need to be back at the club by deadline. So, after your original hunt is over you may need to go back to the club or at least the card needs to be back before deadline. There would not neccessarily be an extension but rather the dogs involved would hunt in one hour interval(s) until the tie is broken. Dean is right, dogs would need to be turned loose at the same time to start the extended tie breaking huntoff(s).

Posted by Dean Hutto on 07-25-2007 09:54 PM:

I'm not sure if I am coming or not Mr. Kenny. I'm supposed to be going deep sea fishing but I'm not sure my buddy is gonna come thru

Posted by WEBBER on 07-25-2007 10:24 PM:

How long do you have to recover your dog after the hunt?

Let's say @ 12:00, the hunt is over and the deadline is 3:00.
If I understand this correctly, just as long as the card makes it back to the club house before deadline, no one is stratched.
How long after the deadline does the dog need to be back at the club house for the huntoff?

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Posted by Kenneth Tavares on 07-25-2007 10:46 PM:

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Originally posted by Allen / UKC
No need to call! lol! Dean is correct. Remember that you need to be back at the club by deadline. So, after your original hunt is over you may need to go back to the club or at least the card needs to be back before deadline. There would not neccessarily be an extension but rather the dogs involved would hunt in one hour interval(s) until the tie is broken. Dean is right, dogs would need to be turned loose at the same time to start the extended tie breaking huntoff(s).

If tie is not broken after the first hour... would you have to recover dogs for another recast for the second hour interval.

Also, do you have an hour to recover dog before recast.

Personally, I would rather go in a sudden death. Where the first to get the lead is the winner. In 1 hour intervals with only two dogs it is possible that one will take the lead and the the other might tie it back up before the hour is up.

Posted by Kenneth Tavares on 07-25-2007 10:55 PM:

PS It was 1:00AM when hunt was over. I was holding 2nd strike, and hadn't heard my dog in over 20 minutes. The dog holding first strike was opening.

I would have rather continued hunting. We weren't sure of what to do and couldn't come to an agreement. I congratulated the other gentleman and signed the card.

I DON"T NEED TO FLIP A COIN TO WIN!!! I didn't pay an entry fee for a coin.

Posted by Riproarinredbon on 07-28-2007 03:08 PM:

COIN TOSS

WAY TO GO BLACK & TAN MAN. TOO MUCH COIN FLIPPIN' GOING ON AROUND HERE THESE DAYS. THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY ABOUT THAT - GUMMY da DUMMY ( REDBONE MAN ).

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