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Stud Dogs on Ice

Spill the beans. Who knows what departed stud dogs have semen stored up. Just currious. I have been hearing through the grape vine a lot of dogs have 2 or 3 breadins stored up. Just no way to find out for sure. I know collecting has been going on for a while, like Srping creek rock, Hardtime Rocky, Tar rattle, Lipper. Lets see how long the list will get. Any breed.

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Bill Endress

Duel Grand Wilcox Thunder Bingo ( almost all gone)
Duel Grand Wilcox Thunder ST Nick ( limited amount)

Nailer (think this is about gone as well)

GRNTCH Cabin Creek Rowdy (limited/privite supply)


Im sure there are a bunch more, those are off the top of my head.

As soon as he is done with his meds for RMSF we will be storing 100 straws from Loose for our own future use. I wanted to have his sire, Frank, drawn however his owner isnt crazy about the whole frozen semen thing.

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RIP Loose

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Bill Endress

I know this is an old thread, but....

it has some information relevant to today.

From the list above:

Cabin Creek Rowdy..... 19 straws on ice. Never has been used and not for sale. Maybe someday David Minson will let a straw or two go to the right female.

Wilcox Thunder Bingo.... not sure how many straws are still available, but I have one straw left at All Pets in Altus, Oklahoma. A good friend of mine in Texas purchased these like thirteen or fourteen years ago.

Plus Point Blue Boy Bruiser.... 66 straws currently on ice at Once Frozen in Oklahoma City. A very limited number of these can be purchased from my ex-wife. She will keep a good supply to give to our three sons to use down the road.

Pine Knob Durango.... I own the last three straws of Durango semen. It is my hope that I will use it someday on a direct daughter of Bingo.

Briar Valley Nite Prowler.... Mike Jameson has a handful of Prowler semen and I purchased one breeding from him a few months ago for my own personal use. Would love to see this crossed on a Bingo female or perhaps a Durango female if that comes to fruition in the future.

Sunset Party Dancer.... 10 straws on ice at Once Frozen. The entire lot of these are available for purchase. See another thread on the English dogs and puppies for sale section.

Not sure if Carl Carroll still has any left from Lumis or Sargent's Blue. I need to give him a call and find out.

I know of others, but I do not want to provide the info as their owners are on the board and can add the information if they desire. They will have more information on the subject anyway.

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UKC DUAL GR CH PKC CH CHKC Money Winner ALL GRAND YOGI (GR NITE CH MOORE'S HARDTIME ALL GRAND HORN x DUAL GR CH ENGLISHPRIDE'S LITTLE LIZ) 2017 UKC Performance and PKC Super Stakes Sire

UKC DUAL GR CH TREE ROCKN NELLY (DUAL GR CH PKC GOLD CH MAIN STREET ROY X GR NITE CH PKC CH INDIAN RIDGE CINDY) Littermate sister to 2013 UKC WORLD CH GR NITE CH MAIN STREET JOHN THE BAPTIST

PLUS POINT ZINGO (DUAL GRAND CH '98 ENGLISH HALL OF FAME WILCOX THUNDER BINGO semen X CH NITE CH CLONES FRONT PAGE) The only living direct son of Bingo alive today!

Gone but not forgotten:

UKC GR NITE CH PKC CH PLUS POINT BLUE BOY BRUISER (66 "canes" stored at OnceFrozen) Direct son of DUAL GR CH PKC CH CLEAR CREEK CADILLAC JACK x CH GR NITE CH '95 UKC World Hunt High Scoring English Female WELLS' LITTLE PATCH

CH GR NITE CH WELLS' LITTLE PATCH (High Scoring English Female 1995 UKC World Hunt) Direct Daughter of GR NITE CH PKC GOLD CH DARON'S BLUE REB (LUMIS) x GR NITE CH PKC GOLD CH ACHA WORLD CH BUFFALO CREEK PATCH

GR NITE CH PKC CH CLEAR CREEK MISSY II (Sister to Dual Grand Clear Creek Cadillac Jack and mother of ACHA World Champion PKC Silver CH Raef's Dollar Bill)

btt

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Bill Endress

Why are so many interested in breeding to long dead stud dogs.

1. A novelty and money making scheme? Some of the past studs didn't produce very good when they were alive. They're certainly not going to do any better since they died.

or

2. Needed to improve traits that have been lost to poor breeding practices in the last 20 or so years?

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Times have changed when it comes to hunts. There so many hunts now as compaired to the 60's and 70's. It was harder to make a nite champipn. I have not seen over 20 dogs entered in a hunt other than the major ones. I have records from the 70's from a club in SC that had 73 registered dogs on average. Now that same club averages 8. So times have changed. A coondog is still a coondog tho. But some of the power house dogs of the past never had the chance to reproduce like todays studs. They cant hurt puttong those genes back in close to todays dogs.

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hers some more totally alsome al 36 straws briar creek rat posion 12 straws little river moon shine 8 straws roster ridge copper 6 straws none for sale

Something that I have wondered is what kind of record keeping did someone have to keep on some of the old stored semen for UKC to recognize that semen as the sire of a litter of pups. Now we have to DNA the male before we could use the stored semen after the male was gone. Years ago they didn't have DNA. Just curious, I'm sure no one would try to pull a fast one and claim a litter was out of some long gone famous stud dog.

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John Smith
Ohio Valley Bluetick Kennel

I was reading an article on canine reproduction today written by one of the top Reproductive Vets in the country (Robert Hutchison). He suggest that frozen semen shelf life is around 26 years. He did not say it all goes bad at that point, but studies have shown that quality significantly decreases after this time. Something to think about...

I had 8 breedings on Kaskaaskia river blue PETE just used one this week so I guiss we will find out if it works

[QUOTE]Originally posted by larrypoe
[B]Duel Grand Wilcox Thunder Bingo ( almost all gone)
Duel Grand Wilcox Thunder ST Nick ( limited amount)

Nailer (think this is about gone as well)

GRNTCH Cabin Creek Rowdy (limited/privite supply)


Im sure there are a bunch more, those are off the top of my head.



Nailor semen is gone last litter is around six months old I think

alot of people have asked me why i want to collect seman on old dogs as they call them . i tell them these are they dogs ihave hunted and really liked and done good with i liked the dogs the way they huntedand ect alto frozen seamon might not be for every one and they want to breed to whats hot now i'll stay with my semon i'll stay with what i'm doing ,

just to update, Frank died and never was collected.

I destroyed the semen we had collected off of Loose not long after he died.

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Dual Grand Tj,s Stylish Lipper, there's only one other dog directly out of Houses Lipper with semen that is Dual Grand, and none living that I know of..

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GrNtChGrCh Tj's Stylish Lipper (SEMEN)
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TJ's Stylish Lipper Semen

Does anyone know if any semen is for sale out of TJ's Stylish Lipper?

Hardwood Elvis Attack

I have 7 straws on Elvis.

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Re: TJ's Stylish Lipper Semen

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Originally posted by anthony903
Does anyone know if any semen is for sale out of TJ's Stylish Lipper?

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GrNtCh Hardwood Bean 11/28/03 - 4/14/14.
GrNtCh Big Money
GrNtCh North Mt Mort
GrChGrNtCh T&R’s Homemade Trouble

GrNtChGrCh Homemade Josie.
Homemade Tank.
GrNtCh Hardwood Bean (SEMEN)
GrNtCh Abbotts Bawling Rebel (SEMEN)
GrNtChGrCh Tj's Stylish Lipper (SEMEN)
GrNtCh Nite Life Pay Dirt (SEMEN)
GrNtCh PKC Ch Poison Smoke (SEMEN)


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Ive heard of stored semen getting lost and or breeders losing it in one way or another and it makes one wonder how much of it gets mixed up with other breeders they have stored you see things like this happen all the time in hospitals with blood test and other test, what got me to thinking on this was i seen or heard someone say they found 6 extra straws on a dog he had stored and he thought it had all been used a long time ago and i wonder if that was his and the same dog for sure or someone else and just a mix up because marking and labels do come off and im not sure what means they use to keep track of it.

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Conrad Fryar has frozen semen from Paulding Forest Bubba.

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good old post

Any buddy know of any sons of Michigan swamp rooster that are on ice ?



besides the Opie dog ...

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Melson's Big Game kennels. home to some decent English dogs ,one leopard and 2 red dogs who are nice dogs to . We hunt bear and coon also a few bobcats and a few grey fox . I am not color blind.

Great hound hunters of the past quotes I like and live buy .
"Its not the legnth off the ears it whats betwen the ears "- lester Nance
" "If you did not see it in the tree it did not happen" -Herb kennedy
" I live to hunt and I hunt to live " - Henry McIntyre

Does anyone know if there is any minklers kansas dancer semon out there

btt

Come on guys quit watching baseball and football and tell the world were all this dog semen is being horded ..lol

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Melson's Big Game kennels. home to some decent English dogs ,one leopard and 2 red dogs who are nice dogs to . We hunt bear and coon also a few bobcats and a few grey fox . I am not color blind.

Great hound hunters of the past quotes I like and live buy .
"Its not the legnth off the ears it whats betwen the ears "- lester Nance
" "If you did not see it in the tree it did not happen" -Herb kennedy
" I live to hunt and I hunt to live " - Henry McIntyre

Re: good old post

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Originally posted by Joes reticks
Any buddy know of any sons of Michigan swamp rooster that are on ice ?



besides the Opie dog ...

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