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Question for people who raise pups?

I've heard an ole wives tale that said by hunting a female while she is pregnant that it will help the pups turn into coonhounds. I understand that keeping them in shape is a good thing and not related to what I'm asking. For anyone that has tried it both ways, have you seen a difference in how the pups turn out?

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I've heard an ole wives tale that said by hunting a female while she is pregnant that it will help the pups turn into coonhounds. I understand that keeping in shape is a good thing and not related to what I'm asking. For anyone that has tried it both ways, have you seen a difference in how the pups turn out?

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I should ask the President of the Federation here in NE. he AI'ed his dog ...did'nt think it took...so he kept hunting her..had her in a nite hunt one night..an the next morning found her w/ two pups..

But actually I think its just a wise tail...or everybody would be doing it..

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From what I've been told the puppies are suppose to be able to tell what scents get their Mom excited and its suppose to be inprinted in their brains. Is there any truth to this or not? Beats me, but it sure sounds good.

What about it Larry A?

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when a female coyote gets bred she doesnt quit hunting or take some time off she hunts to live and likewise her pups that live will all be natural born hunters because it will be in their blood from the time they are in the womb the oygen in the blood that flows to them comes through the mothers olfactory senses as she hunts and lives this is how it was explianed to me by and old timer that knew alot about breeding animals of all sorts he was a houndsman also I always hunt a bred female I think its good for them old wives tale? i dont know about that but i do beleive coondogs come from coondog mamas and not brood bitches in a kennel just my opinion that and 25 cent will get you a cup of coffee later Jay C.

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well said jay also what does it hurt to hunt them

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I think Vickie Lamb talks about this some in her first book.

I raised a litter about a year ago and I didn't hunt the mother because she is real hard on herself when she is hunted. She jacks the tree hunts hard and doesn't eat very good when being hunted hard. So I didn't hunt her and the pups turned out good. I think if you have a female that doesn't do all that crazy stuff then it is good to hunt them. For exercise if nothing else.

Jared

It's become the "thing" for pregnant humans to expose their unborn fetus' to "calming" environment, like music. Some read and talk to their bellies while carring the baby. Some musicians beleive that exosure to music definitely influences the unborn baby towards appreciation of music.

I had heard this theory about hunting a female's enfluence on their pups and wrote it off as "old wives tales", BUT WHO KNOWS.

A pups brain does not mature enough to even be able to open it's eyes until it is about 10 days old. Do you really believe that it's brain is developed enough to recognize scent? Give me a break.....


Here is what I will tell you. The female that is hunted enough to be in shape when she is bred, and is hunted consistently enough to keep her in shape while she is pregnant is probably the only kind of female that SHOULD be bred.....

Good dogs come from good dogs...both the male and the female have to bring ability to the plate.....so a good female that is hunted and trees coon has a better chance of producing a good pup, than a "brood female" that is full of holes and can't consistently tree a coon to the point that someone would hunt her while she is pregnant.

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A pups brain does not mature enough to even be able to open it's eyes until it is about 10 days old. Do you really believe that it's brain is developed enough to recognize scent? Give me a break.....


Here is what I will tell you. The female that is hunted enough to be in shape when she is bred, and is hunted consistently enough to keep her in shape while she is pregnant is probably the only kind of female that SHOULD be bred.....

Good dogs come from good dogs...both the male and the female have to bring ability to the plate.....so a good female that is hunted and trees coon has a better chance of producing a good pup, than a "brood female" that is full of holes and can't consistently tree a coon to the point that someone would hunt her while she is pregnant.

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wasn't aware that a pup opening it's eyes was a brain function, thought it was physical.

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Coonhound to coonhound if the female is early along and as she goes through Preg. , hunt her as long as it is safe for her and the pups within. Think about all the females such as the one aforementioned, that have hunted while preg. and had pups within days or weeks of hunting hard.
Might not do the pups any good but it helps the female stay in better shape to raise pups IMO.

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I started hunting my pregnate females about 8 years ago after reading an article on it in outdoorlife magizine.And I have to say that I was happy with the results. It seems that the litters came out with a little something extra.It might be a coincidence who knows. I just know that I will always hunt all my females, in a safe place of course. I raise 2 or 3 litters a year.coonhound or beagles. I haven't seen any negative things yet.

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hey newlin hate to disagree with you but a puppies eyes has nothing to due with their maturity their eyes are actually open open in the wmb till about the 40th day then they have something that makes close and stay that way to protect the eyes from feces and other things floating around in the womb

but everything else i agree with lol

I dont know about if hunting the female while preg. affects the pups any, but I will tell you this. When my wife was pregnant with our second son her back would hurt all the time. She was always having me rub it at night right before we went to sleep. When the baby was born he had the colic really bad. About the same time every evening he would start crying non-stop. You could try everything to get him to go to sleep and he would not. One night after several nights of this he started his crying again at about the same time as always. I picked him up and held him in my lap and started rubbing his back and he immediately quit crying and went right to sleep. Every night after, that is the way we put him to sleep and he would not quit crying any other way. It was like magic! He is getting ready to turn six now and he still loves for me to do it any chance he gets. I honestly beleive this was transferred to him through me doing this to his mother. Maybe I'm wrong but just my opinion.

hunting the female or not

Hunting the female will keep her in better shape, but hunting will not change the dna in the pups.Once the egg and sperm cell combine the traits of the pups are set for life good or bad.

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I also read an article on this once and fully believe it.The article stated that 2 littermate females of the same ability were bred to the same stud,1 was hunted right up to where it would be uncomfortable and the other was laid up.The mother who was hunted had pups that started earlier and made more balanced dogs than the pups that were out of the female that was laid up. Now the article also stated that both litters were given the same chance.He explained that during the pregnancy the mother released endorphins into her bloodstream, such as adrenalin that the pups picked up on, did they SMELL coon, No!! But they picked up emotional changes in the female.I do believe this works, but this is JMO.I think the article was in Bloodlines and was written by Vince Cocciolo, but I can't remember.

Guys I used the "eyes" to point out that the puppies brain is not mature enough to "store information".

Think about it. from two single cells to an entire "puppy" in 63 days. That is just not enough time for a brain to develop enough for that pup to be able to process stimuli and store it.

The puppy is born with only rudiementry scenting ability enough to find momma to eat and it's siblings to stay warm. They can not walk, they sure enough do have the eyes open in the womb....cause the eyelids are not developed yet.

If they had the ability to see at birth, the eyes would be open at birth. Nature has a reason for what it does. Puppies can barely see the first day or so after they open their eyes.

The point is that the brain is not developed. Fact is that a lot of research has proven that the brain of a pup does not develop completley until the pup is around 12 weeks old. They synapses (the communcation points between the brain cells) continue to develop until that point.

What you are saying is equivilant to a pregnant woman playing the piano a few times a week for the nine months she is pregnant. The expectation that the child would some how magically learn to play the piano before it is born......

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pups are born

both blind & deaf. Neither comes til they are about 7-10 days of age. I think it is just that, an old wives tale. As stated above, its bred into them or its not. Genes are what a coondog & how they are handled at the critical periods in their lives, not 'hunting the female' while pregnant. I will tell you, exercise while pregnant is very good for the female, she can whelp easier & the need for C-sections are lower if the female has good muscle tone & in good health.

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the female -- that u just cant stand to leave home even tho she is pregnant is probably gonna produce better pups-


this may be old wives tale but im not real sure either way-

like imprinting foals -


i know a guy that will pound something with a hammer every time he feeds momma -

and continues after pups are born-

says he has never had a gunshy dog since he started that

whos can say he would have had one anyway



it works for him so i mite try it - lol

( bear and cat dogs ) gunshy is more of a problem than would be expected with coondogs- just because of bigger guns and game may be shot when bayed up rather than treed -

I am amazed by folks that can post EMPHATIC knowledge on such subjects. There are VERY few "in stone" facts known by us, especially those of us who are "UNTRAINED".

CONSTANT studies are in progress every day by TRAINED and folks that are educated in about every field who are looking for ANSWERS. Guess what? Those ANSWERS seem to change pretty often as more knowledge is gained.

Fellows, I doubt ANY of us on this board can answer with authority on a lot of the questions that we discuss. BUT it's fun. "Ain't" it???

There's something to this!

Here's what I think that someting is : If a female is hunted regular while carrying pups, it's likely that she is that hunters #1 dog. It's likely that hunter gets in the woods a fair amount and doesn't want to lay-up his best dog.

The above definitely applies to me. The best female I had was hunted up to about a week before she dropped pups. When I started the weaning process (take mom away from the pups during the day, and put her back at night), I started hunting her again (not in briars). We'd hunt her, then bring her back, and put her in with the pups for the night. We only had her out of the woods for about 5-6 weeks, and raised an outstanding litter.

I think it has everything to do with the coondog part of the equation!

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Originally posted by Oak Ridge
A pups brain does not mature enough to even be able to open it's eyes until it is about 10 days old. Do you really believe that it's brain is developed enough to recognize scent? Give me a break.....


Here is what I will tell you. The female that is hunted enough to be in shape when she is bred, and is hunted consistently enough to keep her in shape while she is pregnant is probably the only kind of female that SHOULD be bred.....

Good dogs come from good dogs...both the male and the female have to bring ability to the plate.....so a good female that is hunted and trees coon has a better chance of producing a good pup, than a "brood female" that is full of holes and can't consistently tree a coon to the point that someone would hunt her while she is pregnant.

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Thanks guys and gals, I appreciate your input.

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