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Posted by TJ RAYFIELD on 02-01-2007 12:24 AM:

UKC Performance Sire half walker/half english?????

This months Treeing walker special issue there is a stud dog on pg.85 directly off Crow and Grants Cutter and a female that goes back to Michigan Swamp Rooster on bottomn side. Just curious of how you can reg. a dog in ukc like this not just that how can you make them a perfomance sire because he is a P. sire and a S.S. sire I understand pkc he is cross bred but i did not know that ukc had a cross bred registry.

Posted by Dan Dogs on 02-01-2007 12:28 AM:

never got

the magazine, but it must be single reg. walker or eng. what ever it fits the breed standards too...

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Posted by TJ RAYFIELD on 02-01-2007 12:39 AM:

thats the only way it does say english coonhound at the top of the page but it shows a pedigree.

Posted by J. Hill on 02-01-2007 12:41 AM:

Re: never got

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Originally posted by Dan Dogs
the magazine, but it must be single reg. walker or eng. what ever it fits the breed standards too...

dave does ukc ever get the blood lines out on time i used to get it but got sick of waiting till the 20th of every month for it to get here so i just went back to the cooner get it on time every month

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Posted by Bear on 02-01-2007 12:44 AM:

So whats your point? They made a walker/english cross and single reg. this dog english.He meets english breed standard,and appearently trees coon.They didnt try to hide anything about the dogs pedigree.

Posted by Dan Dogs on 02-01-2007 12:46 AM:

theres

a few english guys that like a shot of walker blood every now and then. years back a guy with a grnite english dog was begging me to let him raise a litter out of my babe female, she was well known for reproducing in these parts..just couldn't do it!!

Posted by 1939 on 02-01-2007 12:46 AM:

First here. Got my Bloodlines Monday.still haven't got my Cooner.
I've always got my Cooner first except this month.

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Posted by TJ RAYFIELD on 02-01-2007 12:51 AM:

bearhunter my point is he is a performance sire right... well say i want to breed to him do i breed a english female or a walker female?? and are the also going to be reg. mixed??

Posted by TJ RAYFIELD on 02-01-2007 12:52 AM:

Not saying there is anything wrong with this dog I'm just curious on how the breeding program would work.

Posted by 1939 on 02-01-2007 12:53 AM:

I remember in the late 60's or early 70's a person had a dual grand champ. male walker for some reason he single reg. it english. He had to start all over for some reason and made it a dual grand champ. again. Often wondered why he had to start over for grand nite ch. I could see why show ch. again as different standards for different breeds.

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Posted by Dan Dogs on 02-01-2007 12:55 AM:

Re: Re: never got

quote:
Originally posted by J. Hill
dave does ukc ever get the blood lines out on time i used to get it but got sick of waiting till the 20th of every month for it to get here so i just went back to the cooner get it on time every month

i always got it in good time, but i sent in a certificate from rqe and they claimed they didn't get it. so had another one from a different rqe but couldn't find it. so i called them and they looked up the rqe and said they would give me my 2 yrs sub. that was two and a half weeks ago. i'm getting a little aggravated!!!

Posted by Bear on 02-01-2007 12:56 AM:

quote:
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bearhunter my point is he is a performance sire right... well say i want to breed to him do i breed a english female or a walker female?? and are the also going to be reg. mixed??

He is reg English,if you want the pups to be reg.from the get go then you would breed an English female to him. Pups would be reg. english and performance eligable.Only thing is they would not have the "PR" in front of their name.

Posted by Dan Dogs on 02-01-2007 12:58 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by TJ RAYFIELD
bearhunter my point is he is a performance sire right... well say i want to breed to him do i breed a english female or a walker female?? and are the also going to be reg. mixed??

the people that breed there english dogs to him just wont have pups that are purple ribbon bred!!I think

Posted by bob country jr on 02-01-2007 01:01 AM:

welllllllll i think hooch is a good bred and good looking english dog.

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Posted by TJ RAYFIELD on 02-01-2007 03:41 PM:

thanks guys I just didn't understand how this worked.better watch them english dogs ive always sayed if they had a little walke in them they would be tough. Cutter may have been the one to ruin it for us......lol j/k.

Posted by Russell Boyette on 02-01-2007 03:53 PM:

quote:
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welllllllll i think hooch is a good bred and good looking english dog.

I dont believe there is anything wrong with how the dog is bred, but i wish they wouldnt call him an English Coonhound, because he isnt. Its amazing how people who whine about Hardrock being a registered B&T, but no one minds about this. If UKC had a Crossbreed breed i believe alot of people would try it. Hell, we'd probably have better crossbred dogs than purebred.

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Posted by rgregory on 02-01-2007 03:58 PM:

If no one every noticed before this isn't a first in the english breed.Look at alot of english pedigree's breeding walker in isn't uncommon.

Posted by J. Wigley on 02-01-2007 04:15 PM:

What about "Hardtime Speck" and "Bad Lands Pedro" Are they not half walker?? Tell us Bearhunter.

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Posted by Bear on 02-01-2007 05:04 PM:

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What about "Hardtime Speck" and "Bad Lands Pedro" Are they not half walker?? Tell us Bearhunter.

Speck was walker,if Im not mistaken Pedro was half walker.

I think the big fuss over Hardrock was more a color issue,as in throwin a lot of white or high tan pups.English hunters/breeders are'nt as color hyper as other breeds(plus the standard is not one set color) Cross breeding does work and can improve lines within a given breed or the breed as a whole..Though some will refer to these dogs as "genitic mud",these people dont have a clue.I commend the owners of Hooch for doing this on the up and up.Many out there would have just"stuck" papers on this dog.

Posted by nitechamp bud on 02-01-2007 05:18 PM:

I'm just glad to see that some of the other breeds are finally starting to see the white. Life will be just a little better for them from now on.

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Posted by Bear on 02-01-2007 05:24 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by nitechamp bud
I'm just glad to see that some of the other breeds are finally starting to see the white. Life will be just a little better for them from now on.

LOL yeah right I think ya got that one backwards

Posted by T Felderman on 02-01-2007 07:39 PM:

I might be thinking about throwing a little english in a walker female.........................

Posted by polecat on 02-02-2007 03:42 PM:

NTCH BUD!!!

you nailed it down.... sounds like the English boys have seen the light... want a coon dog? breed some Walker power in.... what's next..... Walker/Bluetick..... then peace in the middle east......
the world is truely becoming a better place!

Posted by Bear on 02-02-2007 05:04 PM:

Re: NTCH BUD!!!

quote:
Originally posted by polecat
you nailed it down.... sounds like the English boys have seen the light... want a coon dog? breed some Walker power in.... what's next..... Walker/Bluetick..... then peace in the middle east......
the world is truely becoming a better place!

LMBO My opinion they wanted to put some "nose" back in the walkers

Posted by polecat on 02-02-2007 05:50 PM:

HMMM.....

isn't he out of Cutter??? that means the man with the female was the one doing the breeding... so he must have saw something in "Black and White" so to speak........ IMO... he couldn't have picked a better stud to do it with. Every non-walker owner wants to jump on those tri-colored dogs..... but man they just keep winning.... is there something I'm missing????

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