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mt curs and coons?

I am thinking about getting a mt cur i would use it for squirlls and coons and i was just wondering how these dogs do on coons any info would be appreciated

I hunt mine on coon. I don't call her a "coondog" just yet but she does tree them. I hunt her mostly on squirrels. It took a little while, but she is learning there are no coons near my feet. I started running her with my friends Walker dogs and getting her to race them to the woods.
There are plenty of people who hunt them on coon. I think it's just a matter of preference. I think in general though, curs have a hotter nose than hounds.

Ed

I use my Kemmer exclusively on coon. I love the way he hunts. Fast and accurate. He doesn't hunt all that great with hounds, more of a loner, but gets the job done. HAndles better than any hound I have ever hunted and has a tendancy to listen a lot better. Smaller than a hound, but doesn't blow the tops off of trees. If he gets to a tree he stays. When he doesn't find a track he usually checks-in in about fifteen minutes. I recomend trying the Kemmer. Not putting down any other curs cause I haven't hunted with any other ones,(but willing to) I just like my Kemmer.

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Dennis Berning

' Pr' Cash's Berning Ring Of Fire

If you are wanting to hunt coon with a Mountain Cur find a line of curs that is cold nose and that will hunt deep. I want a cur coon dog to hunt out at least a 1 mile. Alot of the OMCBA are bred to hunt out at 100 or 200 yards, this is not deep enough to hunt coons but is great for squirrel. Those Mountain curs that will not hunt deep will tree a popup coon but you want a dog that will fine a coon track and work on it untill it trees the coon. You also want a dog that will hunt by its self. Again alot of the curs dont like to hunt by them self. A person will go out and buy a OMCBA dog to coon hunt with and the dog wont really hunt out deep for them. Then they will start running the OMCBA dogs down saying he couldnt treed very many coons with his cur. The problem is the guy that bought the dog didnt know what he was doing. He might know his hounds but this is a different type of a dog. He went out and bought a cur that was bred to squirrel hunt, hot nose, close hunter. Do your homework before you buy a cur to coon hunt. You want a cur that comes from a line of dogs that will hunt deep, that has a cold nose, and will hunt by its self.

Mountain Curs

There are plenty of Mountain Cur dogs out there that will hunt deep and get treed and stay. The biggest problem is that there are a lot of people that will lie to your face and tell you that these dogs will make good coon dogs and the fact is they just won't. You have to sift through the BS and find the guys with Mountain Curs that still will hunt like they should.

Dan Edwards

I hunt Mountian Cur dogs and Treeing Walkers, my curs have treed a few coons like said above a pop up our if I take them out at night thay will tree a coon at times. Curs can tree anything that climbs a tree. I love to coon hunt with walkers but my joy is to see Mt. Curs treeing and hunting Love to seem hunt. Thay are bred to hunt and tree?


Bill

well one reason i am wanting a cur to hunt with is because they dont hunt real deep. I dont want to have to chase a hound half way across the next county I am wanting a cur that i can take out and hunt a couple of hours and come to the house. Is the other breeds of curs like stephens and kemmers are there any difference between these dogs and the mt cur as far as hunting style and effectiveness on coon

once again

I am not trying to offend anyone here, but there are all sorts of curs and hounds out there. My uncle has a "Sacket" bred Walker dog that hunts right with him. My old man has a young Walker male right now that hunts pretty close, but can fly on a track and will get tree as far as track takes him, but he hunts close. We also have a Walker female that will get deep and I mean real deep. I have a young Mountain Cur male that hunts close for a while, but if you keep him there very long he will get completely out of pocket if he has too and he ain't even close to being even started yet. I had a Mountain Cur gyp that would get as deep as you wanted to get. I know where there is an English bitch that if hunted by herself you pretty much need to kind of ease through the woods and she will tree plent of coons. There ain't as big a difference in the breeds as there is in the different dogs in the breeds. I hunted a Walker female last night and a Mountain Cur male. They both hunt pretty close to the same distance. I run coyotes with a Walker/Mountain Cur cross and to this date have not and I repeat not seen a better dog for catching coyotes, not just running them. You better try the dog out and see what the "dog" is, not the breed.

Dan Edwards

Kurt K and Justpiddlin are shootin' it to you straight. Wish I'd have had that advise two or three years ago.....
Mike

Different Strokes for Different Folks

I hunt Treeing Curs and I would not feed one that went a mile away to strike a coon. If I wanted to put up with that I would hunt hounds. I walk hunt my dogs, I like a dog to check in every 10 or 15 minutes. I tree plenty of coons, not just easy popups.
Al

When I hunt coon I dont want to walk hunt my dogs I want a cur coon dog to hunt by them selfs. Walk hunting a dog at night to tree a coon is called popup coon hunting. Give me a cur that can find a track and work that track to the tree. Coons will travel long distants at night searching for food so if a dog fines a track it will have to go the distants to the tree. If your dog is gone for 15 mintues it should be able to go close to a mile in that much time. Now I dont want my dog to go a mile and start hunting. If the wind aint blowing I can still hear a dog barking at 1 mile if not I will have my tracker ready.

Different terminology

Kurt K.,
Evidently the term "popup coon" has a different meaning in Georgia from Ohio. We call a easy coon that doesn't go far at all a popup coon. We call walking with the dogs "walk hunting". There are good dogs and culls that hunt deep and good dogs and culls that are walk hunted. Different hunters have different styles that they like a dog to hunt. A good walk hunting dog will tree a coon that has traveled a long way, he just doesn't go a long way from the hunter to start a track. In this part of the country, a close hunting dog helps keep you from treeing in someone's back yard and ain't as likely to get splattered on a highway. My Daddy always said "that is why they make blue suits and brown suits".
Al

walk hunting and tailgate hunting are two different styles. I prefer Al's type of hunting. different strokes for different folks. walk hunting you dont want your hound or cur to leave the country unless the track takes them there.

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Mark

Al

I like your second post and you are exactly right. A walk hunting dog don't necessarily tree close to you, they just stay within a couple hundred yards before they take a track and then it is on like any other good dog. I do not like your first post though. Once again you are stereotyping like everybody else. There are all kinds of dogs in all different breeds. My cur gyp at first kind of hunted close and I just let her hunt around me and then maybe I would ease on through a little, but then when she knew the game she would get treed somewhere and sometimes it was a mile away, but very, very rare cause she just didn't need to get that deep very often. She was a weird bitch cause she would find coons like no dog I had ever seen before. I hunted her in a blizzard in MO one time against two pretty fine English hounds and there wasn't a coon one moving and two times that night she jerked coon out of hollow logs and fought them and killed them within a couple hundred yards from us. It was the ****dest thing I had ever seen, but she did stuff like this a lot. She was a "critter gitter" according to my dad. She made things happen. Once again though, I totally agree with your second post, just not too much with your first one about only hounds go deep and cur dogs hunt close. Maybe, a lot of them do, but a lot of them don't after they know the game.

Dan Edwards

Dan, You are right

I went back and read my 1st post and you are right. I didn't do a very good job of expressing myself. There are deep hunting curs and there are close hunting hounds. I've owned some close hunting hounds myself. I believe one could safely say that the majority of curs hunt closer than the majority of hounds.

This is probably opening up another can of worms...But, I prefer a cur that is silent on track. I really don't want a silent dog (hound or cur) to hunt deep. I call driving around in your truck and jumping out with a tracking receiver dog hunting instead of coonhunting. I hunt my curs with tracking collars but prefer to never have to get out the receiver.
Al

I agree

I am gettin used to having dogs that don't say a whole lot on track also and I like it, now. Most of the curs I have hunted will open at times though and when they do, they open A LOT. The young dog I am hunting now gives a lot of tongue when he does open. He is loud for awhile also. I agree with the fact that using your collars all the time is dog hunting and not really coon hunting. I will tell you something else that I am 100% completely sure of, now. I hunt coyotes a lot, especially in the last 3 years. I am convinced that a dash of some sort of rough cur dog splashed into the running type dogs is the ticket. They run harder and have just as good a nose and they run to catch, not just to run. I have a cross up dog right now like that. She catches almost every coyote she has ever been put on and does it in quick fashion. Longest race with her ever has been an hour and a half. Not trying to change the subject here, but I have seen it too many times now. A lot of the breeding in the hound world has been bred way too much for all the wrong things an so to in the Mountain Cur world as of late. These are just the things I have seen the last twenty years or so.

Dan Edwards

If I walk hunt my dog untill it finds a track then it runs the track for some distants untill treed this is not a popup coon in my book. But if you walk hunt your dog and it is always treeing coons close to you that is a popup coon.

The Wal-Cur I hunt is a strange little bird. He don't hunt like a hound but I don't mind putting him with the hounds. He just kind of saunters around for a few minutes and then he vanishes. Once he's gone you're gonna get him off a tree and you'll get your mile or more most of the time. I enjoy squirrel hunting him cause he'll get hooked alot closer.
Hopm

justpiddling do you have anything for sale i'm looking for a walk hunting squirrel dog that will also tree a coon preferably a mt. cur

for sale

I really don't have anything for sale at this time. I had a young male dog that started OK and then has back slid quite a bit. If he had not gone in reverse on me, I would sell him at this time, maybe, but I ain't never sold a dog in my life so who knows. I am sorry, I wish I could help ya. I just bought a gyp, but I plan on keepin her.

Dan Edwards