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Posted by alan crawford on 10-03-2006 02:01 AM:

Clover breed

what do you think about the clover bloodline. Please reply.

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Posted by T.Beyer on 10-03-2006 02:02 AM:

Love it....

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Posted by walkercash on 10-03-2006 02:22 AM:

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Originally posted by T.Beyer
Love it....

exactly.

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Posted by Art Thompson JR on 10-03-2006 03:05 AM:

The best coon dogs in the Walker breed, just not the most popular because of looks. Look at old Clovers reproduction numbers. No dog in any breed comes close to his PAD. It is all I hunt. Lee Logan does not get the credit he deserves.

Posted by on 10-03-2006 03:32 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Art Thompson JR
The best coon dogs in the Walker breed, just not the most popular because of looks. Look at old Clovers reproduction numbers. No dog in any breed comes close to his PAD. It is all I hunt. Lee Logan does not get the credit he deserves.

I couldn't agree more. I no longer hunt walkers for various reasons, but if I did they would be Clover bred. I handled a Walker female in a few hunts this year that I really enjoyed hunting. She has plenty of Clover blood and lots of Hardwood Bozo breeding. I'll always have a spot in my heart for one of those black & white ugly Clover dogs.

Posted by Oak Ridge on 10-03-2006 04:25 AM:

You mean there is something other than Clover dogs?

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Posted by john guinn on 10-03-2006 05:11 AM:

i have a 7yr old nitech clover bred female that is accurate but she is not the prettiest thing out there but looks dont make the dog and i wouldnt get rid of her for nothin

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Posted by walkercash on 10-03-2006 06:21 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Oak Ridge
You mean there is something other than Clover dogs?

The pup looked good again tonight. I think he has a bright future.

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Posted by john r. kincaid on 10-03-2006 06:32 AM:

What do you all think are some of the best and strongest clover bred studs out there today? Dont mean to hijack the thread but since there appear to be some Clover fans here I thought you might have some input.

Posted by walkercash on 10-03-2006 06:46 AM:

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Originally posted by john r. kincaid
What do you all think are some of the best and strongest clover bred studs out there today? Dont mean to hijack the thread but since there appear to be some Clover fans here I thought you might have some input.

Im kinda partial, I just got a pup from Oak Ridge's Joker dog. He is coming along quite nicely. Learns fast, he is sharp as a tack. . I dont know much about any of the other studs but they say that Conrager and Oz are throwing nice pups as well.

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Posted by john r. kincaid on 10-03-2006 06:59 AM:

Thanks Walkercash. How do they seem to cross with Lipper bred dogs or better yet dogs out of Rank?

Posted by Terry Perry on 10-03-2006 12:23 PM:

I have some clover breed pups for sale.off of GRNITE CH Mud Creek Tuff.

DAME is Nitech Stylish Shiloh she has 3 win toward grand.

call 317-281-5212 they are super staked.

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Posted by Art. JR on 10-03-2006 06:46 PM:

Most folks don't know that you nunt them at night and on ugly dog on a tree with a coon is prettier than and nice looking cull or a slick treeing idiot.

Posted by Mike Jones on 10-03-2006 07:02 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Art. JR
Most folks don't know that you nunt them at night and on ugly dog on a tree with a coon is prettier than and nice looking cull or a slick treeing idiot.

That's a big DITTO....Art!

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Posted by Aron Nieland on 10-03-2006 07:29 PM:

clover dogs

i beleive the best reproducing clover stud out there would have to be style... but i dont know much about alot of the other ones... will there be one out of him to match what he did i doubt it but one never knows... style hasnt had all that many females his way but alot of the ones that he has had come visit him were pretty nice females.. time will tell so far nothing has come even close to clover himself... he was one of those freak reproducers... there is alot of nice dogs out of him that never got pushed as with anyother stud but i have followed four that were directly out of him and none of there were sale for anyprice...

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Posted by Oak Ridge on 10-03-2006 07:50 PM:

Aaron,

You bring up an excellent point!

Seems like the studs out of Clover get regionalized. Nobody will travel very far to make "ugly" coondogs, but will drive from coast to coast to breed to a tan headed-blanket backed dog....

I'll never understand it! No doubt that Style is a nice hound, Joker and Tuff are littermates. Oz has been bred to some of the nicest females available as he was the pinch hitter for Rat Attack for several years. There are several other studs out of Clover and they all seem to reproduce on the high end of the scale. None of them are being used a great deal because of the color of the pups that they produce.

It's a crying shame.

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Posted by Rip on 10-03-2006 08:28 PM:

This is coming from a black and tan man, but I personally like the Clover dogs. If I hunted Walkers I would try either a Clover, Boone, or Yadkin River dog. Liked what I seen out of all those.

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Posted by alan crawford on 10-03-2006 08:54 PM:

i was wondering if any body has some clover pups or dogs for sale. iam looking for a very heavy clover breed female around 1 to 3 years old. i perfer if they already know how to tree by themselves. if anybody has any please reply and list price and pictures.

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Posted by Art. JR on 10-03-2006 09:12 PM:

Joe,

I think one reason the clover dogs do so well is the people who have them are coon hunters. We don't care about looks but results. The females that come are coon dogs owned by coon hunters wanting to make coon dogs and those who get the pups are also hard hunters. We don't have "Show" people looking at our dogs. LOL

Posted by john guinn on 10-03-2006 09:23 PM:

we are thinkin about crossin our clover female with kong and see what happens

Posted by crowcreekmojo on 10-06-2006 09:16 PM:

Whats the deal????

I recently picked up a almost finished clover bred male. The dog is amazing he is the loudest dog i have ever hunted with. He also has great conformation and great feet. And will Be in his first bench show October 14th. I noticed clover reproduced good dogs but has no titles does anyone know what the deal is. Please let me know. Clover is my dogs Grandpa. My dog is directly out of John Monroes Banjo dog. Will be studding this dog out in the future and

Posted by walkercash on 10-06-2006 10:40 PM:

Re: Whats the deal????

quote:
Originally posted by crowcreekmojo
I recently picked up a almost finished clover bred male. The dog is amazing he is the loudest dog i have ever hunted with. He also has great conformation and great feet. And will Be in his first bench show October 14th. I noticed clover reproduced good dogs but has no titles does anyone know what the deal is. Please let me know. Clover is my dogs Grandpa. My dog is directly out of John Monroes Banjo dog. Will be studding this dog out in the future and

HE was stripped of his degrees from UKC for one discepency at a hunt when he was a nite champ. He is still a platinum champion in PKC.

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Posted by NAILOR on 10-07-2006 01:32 AM:

I have a Style pup right now that I really like. His pups have been doing a lot of winning locally.
A buddy of mine just bought a dog out of Joker and so far she has the same traits that I've seem from most of the clover dogs I've hunted with. She goes hard, is an above average track dog, has a nice mouth, and most importantly has the meat. To me the tracking and accuracy are the two things the clover dogs seem to come by pretty naturaly. Oh and I better throw independent out there. The ones I've seen had no need for another dog to get the job done.

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Posted by bond007 on 10-07-2006 09:22 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by alan crawford
i was wondering if any body has some clover pups or dogs for sale. iam looking for a very heavy clover breed female around 1 to 3 years old. i perfer if they already know how to tree by themselves. if anybody has any please reply and list price and pictures.

We have some heavy bred clover pups that will be weaned soon.

the sire. triple threat. his dam is a direct daughter of stylish clover
the dam. widow. her sire was out of tonys wild clover and a female direct out of wldnch tonys wild joey
her dam was direct out of stylish clover

pups peds look kinda like this.

.........wipeout
threat
.........stylish clover
pups.........
.........tonys wild clover
......bo
.........tonys wild joey
widow
.........stylish clover

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Posted by Russell Boyette on 10-07-2006 03:16 PM:

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Originally posted by john r. kincaid
Thanks Walkercash. How do they seem to cross with Lipper bred dogs or better yet dogs out of Rank?

They had success crossing Whitey on some Lipper's Little Buddy females i believe. I own one from a Little Buddy cross. She is the hardest going dog ive ever owned. She is not pretty to look at, but at nearly 7 years old she can still were at the young dogs on track.

I would imagine a Clover female crossed on rank would work. Since Whitey is Lipper bred, it would be a little linebreeding, but linebreeding on Lipper seems to work considering almost all dogs today are Lipper bred in one way or another.
Here is my females breeding

-----------------GRNTCH Owen's Hardwood Bozo
------------GRNTCH Logan's Wild Clover
-----------------GRNTCH Logan's Wild Julie
-------'PR' Stylish Clover(Whitey)
-----------------GRNTCH House's Lipper
-----------GRNTCH Korte's Stylish Chirpee
-----------------GRNTCH Schmersal's Stylish Queen
CH Stylish Samantha
-----------------GRNTCH House's Lipper
-----------GRNTCH Lipper's Little Buddy
-----------------GRNTCH Cedar Creek Cindy
-------NTCH Wild Mtn Die Hard Chance
-----------------GRNTCH Martin's High Style
-----------GRNTCH Ruble's Stylish Lady
-----------------NTCH Coyle's Granny

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