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Coonhound Tales Of Accuracy

All the Time you hear people stating this dog is 90% accurate or 80% but how many of those folks have true documentation to back that up. How many folks honestly keep tabs of their dogs and can honestly say how accurate they are? Just Curious. Let's put this into a scenario and see what kind of answers we get.

A dog makes 10 trees in a night (leaves are on) you see coon in six of the trees, 2 are den trees and the other two are so leafy you cannot get a light into the tree. How accurate is this dog to you?


Justin

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80% in my opinion as long as the dens were legit,not knot holes or little woodpecker holes.

Since I can't find a coon in the summertime to save my life, I like to measure accuracy in the winter. If it's a real den it gets thrown out. In this scenario, I would say it had 6 coons in 8 trees. 75% accurate. JMHO

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Justin,

The obvious answer is....IT DEPENDS on who is doing the math and how sharp their pencil is. It could be anywhere from 60% to 100% !!!

That's why numbers don't mean a whole lot until you know how they were calculated.

If ANY tree that you didn't see a coon counted then the accuracy percentage is 60 %. If you throw out the trees that you can't shine and give the dog the benefit of the doubt on the dens, then his % is 100%.

You will know when my dog slicks, you will hear me muttering "That lieing, no good, $@#%^$%^@%^@%$" as I head in to correct the problem.... LOL

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The way I keep track...he's 60%.

I don't care if you believe me or not, but the male that I just finished to grand, we kept track of over 125 trees.

125 trees, 121 coon seen...no excuses for leaves, no excuses for dens. You do the math.....

I know for a fact that one of those trees was a bone dead SLICK...he missed...two were den tree that we could see the hole, but were unable to find a coon in the tree, and one was a leafy water maple that you could hide a full grown elephant in. Did he have a coon.....who knows...but I don't make excuses.

121 out of 125....

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I keep a tally and if I do not see fur it doesn't matter if it's a den, slick or leaves. So according to my calculation the dog mentioned above is only 60% accurate. I do not see any other way to correctly find a dogs true accuracy. When I tell people this dog is only 65% accurate you can bet your boots you will see 6-7 or 6.5 coons out of every 10 trees on the average. I've talked to alot of folks and they seem to think if a dog is not 80% accurate it's not much of a dog but they do not say how they come up with their calculations or have documents. I bet if everyone kept tally this way the average dog would be around 65% accurate. What do you all think??


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Originally posted by justin tumbleso
I keep a tally and if I do not see fur it doesn't matter if it's a den, slick or leaves. So according to my calculation the dog mentioned above is only 60% accurate. I do not see any other way to correctly find a dogs true accuracy. When I tell people this dog is only 65% accurate you can bet your boots you will see 6-7 or 6.5 coons out of every 10 trees on the average. I've talked to alot of folks and they seem to think if a dog is not 80% accurate it's not much of a dog but they do not say how they come up with their calculations or have documents. I bet if everyone kept tally this way the average dog would be around 65% accurate. What do you all think??


Justin

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When I first got Looser down here, I kept track of his first 30 trees. We saw 27 coon. This has been in the last month or so, with the leaves on.

How well that would hold up on 100 or 1000 trees, I dont know. I saw enough to tell the mutt was VERY ACCURATE


It is unreal how often you look up right where he is treeing, and see the coon looking down. I was hunting with a guy last night, and Looser treed alone, we got to him and the guy said " you will never find him in that mess." less than a minute later I went "here he is" both of us saw it, and couldnt believe it.

I consider him 90% accurate. Sometimes he might be a little less, sometimes more, but if you fallow him long enough he will come out to close to that.

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Originally posted by justin tumbleso


A dog makes 10 trees in a night (leaves are on) you see coon in six of the trees, 2 are den trees and the other two are so leafy you cannot get a light into the tree. How accurate is this dog to you?
Justin

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In this case, I think the dog is 75% percent. I'm an economist that plays with statistics and data alot. So in this case, take the survey (10 trees), throw out the spoilers (2 dens), and there you go. 6/8 or 75%. If a dog is severely bad about den trees, that might be a red flag about his accuracy.

But, I think when we judge a dog on accuracy, we have to also account for the location the dog is hunted.

For example: A dog that is 60% accurate in the rolling hollers of Southern Missouri could be 80+% accurate in Northern Missouri.

A dog that is 70% accurate in some parts of the Southern U.S. may be 90% in parts of Indiana.

When we compare an X percentage dog to a Y percentage dog, I think there is more to worry about than how the number was caculated, but more about where those dogs came from.

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A dog that is 70% accurate in some parts of the Southern U.S. may be 90% in parts of Indiana.

When we compare an X percentage dog to a Y percentage dog, I think there is more to worry about than how the number was caculated, but more about where those dogs came from.

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statistics never lie, statisticians do-lo....

CooperCreek- I play with Data all day to and can some what understand your logic. If a dog is hunted in sweet corn patched night in and night out he should have a better % accuracy over a dog hunted in rough mountains with cut over etc. But if you change the atmoshpere up on a regular basis and hunt different terrain for 100 trees you should have enough data to confirm a solid % accuracy on the dog your following.

JackBob- I see where you are coming from about wanting an accurate hound but sometimes when competition hunting, a dog can take to long and by re-locating and re-checking opens the door for the tree to be stolen. I can handle a 65% accurate dog (seeing 6 or 7 coons out of 10 trees) as long as when he locates he stays right or wrong. A dog like this is hard to beat.

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Originally posted by justin tumbleso
I can handle a 65% accurate dog (seeing 6 or 7 coons out of 10 trees) as long as when he locates he stays right or wrong. A dog like this is hard to beat.

Justin

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Originally posted by justin tumbleso
But if you change the atmoshpere up on a regular basis and hunt different terrain for 100 trees you should have enough data to confirm a solid % accuracy on the dog your following.

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Originally posted by Oak Ridge
So you are saying that geography plays a part in how a coon climbs a tree, and how a dog locates which tree the coon climbed?

Not sure I buy into that logic......

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my self, i don't care to even judge a dog until the end of nov. when all the dumb coon have gotten killed off or smarten up, thats when you can judge there tracking ability and there treeing accuracy. when the coon are smart and the ground is frozen!thats when i can tell if i got a coondog or a dog that can tree a coon!

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Originally posted by CooperCreek
I think in my situation that I'm trying to elaborate on, its not a function of correctly locating the tree, its a function of dog power and the chance to actually get to locate a tree.

You'll never convince me a dog that goes 10/10 on 5 minute coons along a fence row in a sweet corn patch is better than a dog that goes 8/10 on 20-30 minute coons in rolling hollers. Until I see dog the sweet corn dog hunt the hollers and the holler dog hunt the sweet corn, I don't think you can say which is better.

Put it this way: My 12 year old nephew can hit 17 out of 20 pitches from a pitching machine at 50 mph. He can hit 10 out of 20 at 70 mph. But in your mind, its just as easy as putting the bat on the ball?

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Joe for a walker guy I would have to believe you lol. My Grit dog as of now is 45 for 47. One was a SLICK, and he heard about it. The other was a tree that was on a river and I could only shine one side. No dens just coon. It should not make a diff where the dog is hunting they either can run a track to a tree or they cant. The only dif I see in the terrain factor is the amount of time it takes to tree that coon. You may be able to tree 6-8 times a night here, but in the mts of West by God you may only strike one track. If they coon are that scarce my dog better miss even less. I hunted my Grit dog in the smokey mts and scored 950 + and no minus. The guys on the cast told me they did not even think that there were that many coons there. Just needed a track dog. JMO.

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I guess everyone is different. Seeing 6 out of 10 in the summertime is just the kind of dog I like. I really dont care for the 90 to 100 % type of dog. If I lived in one of the high coon population states, then I probably would. Around here on nights when the coon are not moving if you dont have a dog that gambles a little, you are in for a long night.

Oak Ridge you asked about dogs being different in accuracy in different parts of the county. Not only is that a fact but the dogs have different accuracy during different times of the year.

Why? The answer is HUMIDITY. It has been studied and proven that HUMIDITY plays a role in the accuracy of coonhounds.

Why? Humidity effects TRACKING ability of our dogs and if they can't track them they can't pick the right tree.

Anybody ever here that our dogs are loosing their tracking ability? Anybody also here there may be more slick trees that every before? The Guru's say its training, I say its breeding and we are breeding tracking ability out of our hounds.

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Originally posted by justin tumbleso


JackBob- I see where you are coming from about wanting an accurate hound but sometimes when competition hunting, a dog can take to long and by re-locating and re-checking opens the door for the tree to be stolen. I can handle a 65% accurate dog (seeing 6 or 7 coons out of 10 trees) as long as when he locates he stays right or wrong. A dog like this is hard to beat.

Justin

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oak ridge i invite you to come to ga..ill put your 90 percent dog in the woods and ill bet it either aint 90 percent or it wont tree at all..why terrain...when a coon can climb a vine and walk over 200 yards to the nearest tree and leave no track on the ground what your 90 percent dog gonna do?..he will either tree on the vine where there isnt gonna be a coon or he will quit the track thus making his percent go down.....here is how i figure the ability of my dog and i got it all all paper from month to month on each dog...my english female when she was 8 months old had 7 strikes 7 trees with 5 coons.1 opossum and1 den this was october hunting 4 times..in november she had 21 strikes 17 trees with11 coons 2 opossums 1 den 1 slick and 2 across the river i would swin to shine...now i dont know the percents but that is how i figure them..make the dog accountable for even opening its mouth

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Originally posted by justin tumbleso
CooperCreek- I play with Data all day to and can some what understand your logic. If a dog is hunted in sweet corn patched night in and night out he should have a better % accuracy over a dog hunted in rough mountains with cut over etc. But if you change the atmoshpere up on a regular basis and hunt different terrain for 100 trees you should have enough data to confirm a solid % accuracy on the dog your following.

JackBob- I see where you are coming from about wanting an accurate hound but sometimes when competition hunting, a dog can take to long and by re-locating and re-checking opens the door for the tree to be stolen. I can handle a 65% accurate dog (seeing 6 or 7 coons out of 10 trees) as long as when he locates he stays right or wrong. A dog like this is hard to beat.

Justin

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