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Question for officials and avid competition hunters over non hunting dogs
Scenario: dog isn't hunting 15 is working on the dog the other dogs are treeing coons every time we go to a tree dog is handled coon is seen and 15 is broke there is no rule that I can find addressing this situation.
I think there should be a rule to mark dog for next available strike and minus for non hunting and being handled at a tree with coon seen what do you guys think???
If he is not treeing why are you handling him plus he don't seem like the type I would be worried about.
Tar
The dog doesn't show treed till after the fact and let's say it had 500+ from the first three dumps then wouldn't hunt mainly I wanna see how many guys are running into these situations I've seen it a few time here lately
Tar, if the dog walks into the tree, it is "at the tree" and must be handled as per rule 11(b).
However, I don't believe being handled at a tree breaks the 15, it just stops it and is restarted when dogs are recast. If you stop the 15 minute clock at 7:15, you restart it at 7:15 when the dog is recast. Allen has posted on that one before and has written it up in the Advisor.
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Thanks Everyone might look into specifieing these situations in the rules that way judges and hunters alike can determine the right way to handle things possibly under non hunting dogs...
The 15 is not "broke". The rule states 15 consecutive minutes so you stop the time while he is handled and start it back at the next drop as soon as he is turned loose.
But if you have to minus a dog that won't go hunting in order to beat him then you have a problem.
lol I like to score the dog on performance and ability to achieve the task at hand not if I'm going to win or not non hunting dogs shouldn't win
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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
The 15 is not "broke". The rule states 15 consecutive minutes so you stop the time while he is handled and start it back at the next drop as soon as he is turned loose.
But if you have to minus a dog that won't go hunting in order to beat him then you have a problem.
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Jim if he was on the tree yes but if he was just wandering around in the vicinity I am going to let that clock run on him long as I can. Then if he comes into the tree I will stop the time and restart at the time I stopped it he don't hunt he is scratched.
Tar
Misjudgments happen we don't have all of this mapped out in the rule book I see guys take minuses all the time through improper enforcement of rules that's why I think this situation should be addressed thanks for commenting
That one is pretty straight forward as Jim eluded to.
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Thank you it was misjudgememt on my part now I know how to handle non hunting dogs
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Originally posted by Billy Beckham
If time is stopped and restarted that ends the consecutive part of your timer.
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Originally posted by JiM
I may be mistaken but I think you are wrong on that. Stopping the hunt clock doesn't break the 15.
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Rip if it's not showing treed do you walk out there 15 ft and get it ? Not me clock is running till he touches that tree.
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Originally posted by yadkintar
Rip if it's not showing treed do you walk out there 15 ft and get it ? Not me clock is running till he touches that tree.
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Read me the rule where you handle the dog clearly off the tree.
Tar
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Originally posted by yadkintar
Read me the rule where you handle the dog clearly off the tree.
Tar
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Like I said if he ain't on that tree clock is still running I ain't gonna go out there and get him to stop the clock he might wander off and the time get him while we are shining the tree. I seen guys try and find a reason to get their hands on their dog to stop the clock like I hear a car coming oh my goodness he is in danger judge I am really concerned. Your dog hunts the whole two hours when I judge no wooooosing out jmo.
Tar
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Originally posted by yadkintar
Like I said if he ain't on that tree clock is still running I ain't gonna go out there and get him to stop the clock he might wander off and the time get him while we are shining the tree. I seen guys try and find a reason to get their hands on their dog to stop the clock like I hear a car coming oh my goodness he is in danger judge I am really concerned. Your dog hunts the whole two hours when I judge no wooooosing out jmo.
Tar
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There is a difference of at the tree and at the tree !! How far would you let a dog be off the tree before you would minuse it if it is far enough to be minused for being off the tree it is to far to be handled and stop the time jmo.
Tar
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Originally posted by yadkintar
There is a difference of at the tree and at the tree !! How far would you let a dog be off the tree before you would minuse it if it is far enough to be minused for being off the tree it is to far to be handled and stop the time jmo.
Tar
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AKC/UKC NtCh Sizemore's Timber Jam Jeff 5/2/2000 to 1/22/2012 R.I.P.
AKC/UKC GrNtCh Sizemore's Timber Jam Jessi 12/21/04 to 1/21/2011 R.I.P.
Well I'm gona chime in
Just wonder how many people are citing things they believe are correct from memory or hear say verses citing things from the rule book that they have with them. some times a comma or a period makes a whole lot of difference. Better than that how many people even have a rule book to refer to and better than that a current one.
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Re: Well I'm gona chime in
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Originally posted by H. L. Meyer
Just wonder how many people are citing things they believe are correct from memory or hear say verses citing things from the rule book that they have with them. some times a comma or a period makes a whole lot of difference. Better than that how many people even have a rule book to refer to and better than that a current one.
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Re: Well I'm gona chime in
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Originally posted by H. L. Meyer
Just wonder how many people are citing things they believe are correct from memory or hear say verses citing things from the rule book that they have with them. some times a comma or a period makes a whole lot of difference. Better than that how many people even have a rule book to refer to and better than that a current one.
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