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Allen You can bet we are gonna be there as long as the man upstairs allows us,Dave come on down buddy you welcomed anytime I am about 2 weeks away from having my guest cabin finished with heating and air.John

John

I hope I can make it up in the next month or so, kind of feel like a teenager on his first date, wanting to hunt with Big Country just can't wait to hear that big locate a few times. Thanks for the invitation, just hope I can get away for a couple nights. Dave

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Dave Richards Treeing Walkers Reg American Saddlebred and Registered Rocky Mt. Show Horses

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Hey John where about in Ky are you ?

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George Jeffers 304-634-8774
Jeffers’ Bear Creek Big Easy (GrNiteCh PLATINUM CH Walston's Big Country x NiteCh Langan’s Blue Duck)
NITECH Jeffers' Blue Izzy (GRNITECH GRCH Uchtmans Zeb x Rosson's Bell)
Jeffers' Bear Creek Big T (CH GRNITECH Goodsons Rowdy Bocephus X GRNITECH CH Koon Krossin Rambo’s Blue Gritts)

And always looking for a better one

Hey , hey , hey !! I want to hear that blue dog tree too !


Tar

Click on the link Tar and ya can!🙃

I know, you want the real live in person version and I would too.

Guess I'll have to settle for the linked version though. Long ways between here and there!

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Dan

I hunted with his grandpa a lot we started making Wesley take his own pickup bodacious wasent a one hour hunt dog he was just getting warmed up lol. But he could run a coon I want to see big country go I love a dog that can push a coon.



Tar

Im in springfield ky between lville and lex

Im in springfield ky between lville and lex

John he sounds a lot like his grandpa I will take a road trip and come see you. Been thinking for a while now on taking this 4th generation female of mine to a different breed seems like I am getting good coon treeing dogs but they just don’t seem to be getting to the next level kinda just stay the same. I think he has what I need a total outcross the walker breed everybody has about the same stuff. Hard to get the drive and accuracy without loosing the brains.


Tar

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Originally posted by yadkintar
John he sounds a lot like his grandpa I will take a road trip and come see you. Been thinking for a while now on taking this 4th generation female of mine to a different breed seems like I am getting good coon treeing dogs but they just don’t seem to be getting to the next level kinda just stay the same. I think he has what I need a total outcross the walker breed everybody has about the same stuff. Hard to get the drive and accuracy without loosing the brains.


Tar

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Eric DePue
Hill Country Kennels Itty-Bitty
PKC CH Wax's Late Night Boom
And
Partners on a few common trashy young dogs

Gone but not forgotten

GrNtCh, PKC Ch Hillbilly Bildo
Pr Broken Oaks Wild Blue Gypsy

I got dogs that tree coons as good as some are hauling long distances. I consider mine average at best. I don’t drive long distances with an avaerage dog so if you can’t find an above average once in a lifetime dog in your own breed to breed to you go to anouther breed in the end they are all hounds just different colors simple as that.


Tar

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Originally posted by yadkintar
I got dogs that tree coons as good as some are hauling long distances. I consider mine average at best. I don’t drive long distances with an avaerage dog so if you can’t find an above average once in a lifetime dog in your own breed to breed to you go to anouther breed in the end they are all hounds just different colors simple as that.


Tar

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Originally posted by yadkintar
I got dogs that tree coons as good as some are hauling long distances. I consider mine average at best. I don’t drive long distances with an avaerage dog so if you can’t find an above average once in a lifetime dog in your own breed to breed to you go to anouther breed in the end they are all hounds just different colors simple as that.


Tar

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Eric DePue
Hill Country Kennels Itty-Bitty
PKC CH Wax's Late Night Boom
And
Partners on a few common trashy young dogs

Gone but not forgotten

GrNtCh, PKC Ch Hillbilly Bildo
Pr Broken Oaks Wild Blue Gypsy

Eric DePue

Now we got Tar thinking the way you and I have always thought. Lol. Serious, I think we need to look at what's best for the coondog cross and not keeping a line "purebreed" just for that reason alone. Some of the best dogs I have seen were cross bred hounds. I like the concept of breeding coondog to coondog way more than keeping a certain breed "pure". We got to where we were by cross breeding, and if we are to stay there or improve our breeds, we will have to cross breed again. Before the competition hunts requiring purebred dogs, out crossing was a very common thing, now the UKC has allowed crossbreds to be registered, you will see more out crosses between coon dogs of different breeds. When you breed the best to the best you improve your chances of getting what you want. I think the cross breed program was one of the best things UKC has done for the coonhunting community. Dave

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Now we got Tar thinking the way you and I have always thought. Lol. Serious, I think we need to look at what's best for the coondog cross and not keeping a line "purebreed" just for that reason alone. Some of the best dogs I have seen were cross bred hounds. I like the concept of breeding coondog to coondog way more than keeping a certain breed "pure". We got to where we were by cross breeding, and if we are to stay there or improve our breeds, we will have to cross breed again. Before the competition hunts requiring purebred dogs, out crossing was a very common thing, now the UKC has allowed crossbreds to be registered, you will see more out crosses between coon dogs of different breeds. When you breed the best to the best you improve your chances of getting what you want. I think the cross breed program was one of the best things UKC has done for the coonhunting community. Dave

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Eric DePue
Hill Country Kennels Itty-Bitty
PKC CH Wax's Late Night Boom
And
Partners on a few common trashy young dogs

Gone but not forgotten

GrNtCh, PKC Ch Hillbilly Bildo
Pr Broken Oaks Wild Blue Gypsy

Eric DePue

I have a strong feeling that when these cross bred puppies from Big Country get old enough to start turning heads, we will have a thread dedicated to his cross breeding. If I was younger I would definitely want a young dog out of him and a good walker female, he is putting his locate mouth in his puppies. Dave

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Originally posted by yadkintar
John he sounds a lot like his grandpa I will take a road trip and come see you. Been thinking for a while now on taking this 4th generation female of mine to a different breed seems like I am getting good coon treeing dogs but they just don’t seem to be getting to the next level kinda just stay the same. I think he has what I need a total outcross the walker breed everybody has about the same stuff. Hard to get the drive and accuracy without loosing the brains.


Tar

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in the end they are all hounds just different colors simple as that.


Tar

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Originally posted by hat creek mac
I truly believe this statement. I could care less what color they are if they are TRULY a top shelf kind of hound. I have never understood why some try to continually stir up controversy.

You hunt what you like, let ol Joe hunt what he likes, and everyone is happy.

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No one is bashing anyone here. I just directly quoted you.

I have no doubt that you have hunted with some culls off of Country. ALL STUD DOGS throw culls! Most don't like to admit it, but it is true. I can direct you to at least a dozen, that I personally know about, that are turning heads, but $4500 is not going to buy any of them.

Everyone has an opinion, but my mother used to tell me if I didn't have anything good to say, it was probably in my best interest to keep my mouth shut. I know it is hard sometimes, but it IS pretty good advice.

Try to be happy and not continually stir up controversy.

Just a thought... a large number of the absolutely ELITE of all breeds were bred to the dog. Do you think it is because he was blue or because he had qualities that they wanted?

I have NEVER witnessed a dog that has been ridiculed and bashed more than this dog has. Even the Bluetickers talk crap about him!

When walker dog men make statements like "he is the best hound breathing air today" it is hard for some to accept.

Is he going to be the greatest stud of all time? Who knows, time will tell. Has he already produced several that are winning on a regular basis? Yes and will continue to do so in my opinion.

I kinda like the way you said that. Now I only got defensive when after I made my statement that none won at the super stakes this year everybody jumped my bones. Then it was misrepresented that his pups were to young to be there that’s false. Then it was to many walkers for blue dog to win there but there was an English dog in the finals hmmmm. Now if $4,500 won’t touch one I expect to see them start winning I look forward to it. I drove a lot of miles lost a lot of sleep was more less lied to spent $400 on gas and eats plus motels you you can see why I am sour.



Thanks for your honesty sir I am just being honest with you.


Tar

Actually the only one I know of that was hunted at the superstakes did make it to Friday night. The same pup has a ticket for the truck hunt next year and is sitting 5th in the Kentucky state race.

There could have been others, I was not there

There are 3 divisions and 3 winners....so I would say there were alot of stud dogs that didn't have a pup win this year....common sense says there were 3 stud dogs that had pups that won!

He did have one in the final cast at the Fall SS but maybe that doesn't count?

Have you only driven a lot of miles, lost a lot of sleep, and been lied to about just dogs out of Country? I have been lied to about dogs all my life. I found out years ago that I absolutely do NOT want another stud dog. Talk about folks lying to you!

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Originally posted by hat creek mac
Actually the only one I know of that was hunted at the superstakes did make it to Friday night. The same pup has a ticket for the truck hunt next year and is sitting 5th in the Kentucky state race.

There could have been others, I was not there

There are 3 divisions and 3 winners....so I would say there were alot of stud dogs that didn't have a pup win this year....common sense says there were 3 stud dogs that had pups that won!

He did have one in the final cast at the Fall SS but maybe that doesn't count?

Have you only driven a lot of miles, lost a lot of sleep, and been lied to about just dogs out of Country? I have been lied to about dogs all my life. I found out years ago that I absolutely do NOT want another stud dog. Talk about folks lying to you!

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I am the type I got to have a dog that is impressive to make me hunt hard and compete.................I CANT CRAPPEN FIND IT !!!!



Tar

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You are not alone. Not many real coonhunters left....therefore it is WAY harder to find a winner anymore, and when you do....WOW at the pricetags on them. Most of the ones I find that I like, the owners won't price. Starting pups used to be enjoyable. I don't have the patience anymore. I like hunting a top hound.

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