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Honor Rules
Whose responsibility is it to make sure that every handler knows the rules? Whose responsibility is it to teach every handler the rules? Is it UKC's responsibility? Is it the club's responsibility? Or is it the personal responsibility of each handler?
How does a handler learn the rules? Are there classes? Are there teachers? Are there textbooks with examples and explanations geared toward the novice? Are there coaches?
Trial by fire lol ! Or the ukc message board Jim will never lead you astray.
Tar
The handler. Just like they should know the dog.
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Most all the comp hunts I was ever in on UKC the guys were really helpful with understanding I knew very little and explained a lot to me . But because they knew the rules they used it to their advantage to win . But I honestly believe if you want to competition hunt knowing the rules is your responsibility and if not sure about them call UKC they have always been really helpful for me . And lord forbid you ask on the Facebook everybody on there is the best handler dog caller in the world .
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Richard you ask a bunch of questions you already know the answers to. LOL
Actually this question can be answered from the bottom up or the top down.
The bottom up answer is everyone that hunts should make it a point to learn the rules. Nothing wrong with learning and getting experience while hunting as long as you don't overstep your knowledge and cause problems because your lack of knowledge. It then moves up to the judges to know the rules and understand what they are accepting the responsibility to do. That is to fairly Judge. Then the club comes into play to act in the correct manner if a judge does not know or does not want to abide by the rules. Then UKC should get involved to deal with clubs who have problems.
Now from the Top Down. You have UKC first. I think a lot more could be and should be done in this area to make sure things run smoothly. If most of us were UKC I am not sure that after reading the boards you would be happy with the knowledge level of the judges and hunters out there. UKC should take some responsibility and I know I would if I was UKC to get the correct rules and interpretations out to the public. I think having the rules on the card is great. Then having an advisor that most people have never seen just clouds the issue.
Now for the Clubs. No club wants problems. So any club doing the right thing is not just going to hand the card out for anyone to judge.
The handler/hunter pays their money and spends their time, so why in the world wouldn't you want to know the rules. Why wouldn't you want the club to give the card to the most qualified person and why in the world wouldn't you want support from UKC if there is a problem.
There are problems and from the top down and the bottom up. I think there can be improvements.
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Mr Conkey, I only know my answers. And whoever said that you can't teach an old dog new tricks was wrong. I find that the older I get, the less I know.
Well I am kinda glad I have gotten older and became an underachiever lol. Unfortunately I see things going in a way I am uncomfortable with and am glad I got to see it the way it was.
Tar
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Richard there is wealth of knowledge on this board wrapped in layers of yesterday thinking along with new ideas unheard of or accepted by many. That leads to one group or another always appearing to be confused. The confusion seems to get us at each other before we find common ground.
I appreciate all the knowledge given out on here.
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"Boss Lights"
When I was a kid me and a buddy had a score card and we memorized and had fun quizzing each other on it. So when I went to a hunt I was a kid and knew the rules better than guys that did it for years. So many people have learned the rules by going along on cast and excepting what the cast decided. They go onto the next cast and teach them the wrong way that they learned last weekend. Now they draw a guy the next week that knows the rule and applies it and that guy gets labeled a cheat. You know the answer Richard, its the individuals responsibility and we know how people these days are about taking responsibility.
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Tar
Oh my goodness, here is another way of looking at it.
If a student goes to school and doesn't learn something...
Is it the teacher's fault for not teaching/explaining correctly?
Is it the student's fault for not paying attention?
Is it the textbook author's fault for not making it simple enough?
Is it the school board's fault for not hiring good teachers, paying them enough money and providing a good learning environment?
Here is anouther way to look at it !!
It took me 40 yrs to learn how to do it right and now they start changing stuff and making it easier so the younger bunch will quit crying about getting cheated all the time lol.
Tar
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Originally posted by yadkintar
Here is anouther way to look at it !!
It took me 40 yrs to learn how to do it right and now they start changing stuff and making it easier so the younger bunch will quit crying about getting cheated all the time lol.
Tar
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Originally posted by joey
Took me about a month when I was 13, I guess some people just learn at different speeds. just messing with you, don't go off on another Tar rant. Richard in his case it was definitely the school systems fault.
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Originally posted by Bruce m. Conkey
Richard you ask a bunch of questions you already know the answers to. LOL
Actually this question can be answered from the bottom up or the top down.
The bottom up answer is everyone that hunts should make it a point to learn the rules. Nothing wrong with learning and getting experience while hunting as long as you don't overstep your knowledge and cause problems because your lack of knowledge. It then moves up to the judges to know the rules and understand what they are accepting the responsibility to do. That is to fairly Judge. Then the club comes into play to act in the correct manner if a judge does not know or does not want to abide by the rules. Then UKC should get involved to deal with clubs who have problems.
Now from the Top Down. You have UKC first. I think a lot more could be and should be done in this area to make sure things run smoothly. If most of us were UKC I am not sure that after reading the boards you would be happy with the knowledge level of the judges and hunters out there. UKC should take some responsibility and I know I would if I was UKC to get the correct rules and interpretations out to the public. I think having the rules on the card is great. Then having an advisor that most people have never seen just clouds the issue.
Now for the Clubs. No club wants problems. So any club doing the right thing is not just going to hand the card out for anyone to judge.
The handler/hunter pays their money and spends their time, so why in the world wouldn't you want to know the rules. Why wouldn't you want the club to give the card to the most qualified person and why in the world wouldn't you want support from UKC if there is a problem.
There are problems and from the top down and the bottom up. I think there can be improvements.
Being in the air conditioning on a hot day knocks me out every time just sayen.
Tar
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My feeling is the Adivsor Clouds mattes because it is not available to everyone. At midnight am I going to believe a guy that said he read the clarification in the magazine when all night long. I felt he was trying to shaft me. The advisor is vital because it is up to date information on rules and updated UKC interpretations. In fact it is so important that that one copy should be sent to the publisher and one copy sent to someone to post on line.
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"Boss Lights"
The advisor is only "cloudy" when it is different from the way you think the rule should be. When you disagree with UKC's interpretation is when it gets "cloudy". When you agree with UKC then it is very clear.
I was born in the 50's Richard my brain ain't made to comprehend three books and a scorecard I type with one finger I mean oh my goodness 🙃
Tar
If you can't comprehend UKC's rulebook, then how in the world did you ever pass the drivers license test?
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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
If you can't comprehend UKC's rulebook, then how in the world did you ever pass the drivers license test?
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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
If you can't comprehend UKC's rulebook, then how in the world did you ever pass the drivers license test?
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Richard, I will try and say this in ENGLISH. I won't use any fancy words like CLOUDY. The advisor compliments the rules on the back of the score card. It explains the ones that need explaining. The advisor gives you the answers you need to properly score. UKC spends time giving the answers to rules so everyone can understand them. But then the advisor, not made available to the public unless you take the Coon Hound Bloodlines or purchase one that may be outdated by the time you get it.
Put that information on line in real time and a step in the right direction has been taken. All the work and effort that UKC puts into it can pay off even more.
We all talk about the young people learning the rules. I hope you understand that the majority of young people use nothing but their SMART PHONES for everything, from talking, texting and web browsing to watching TV. If want young people to learn what is going on it better be on the web and your web page better be MOBILE FRIENDLY.
Richard do you get the picture now? Why in the heck can't you understand english and want to help make things better for everyone. Instead of turning every word someone writes into your little playground. Put the Advisor on the Web. Is that plain english enough.
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"Boss Lights"
Mr Conkey, the advisor is available to everyone. I guess that I am old school. I learned that if you want something you put forth the effort to get it. When I grew up an education was offered to us and we either put forth the effort to learn it or we didn't. Nobody spoon fed us. And we didn't blame the teacher when we didn't learn. If the young people want to learn the rules, they can. If they dont want to spend the time or effort then that is up to them.
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