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Coon catching theory
I have a dog that is 4 years old, he has caught over 150 coon on the ground. He caught 2 last night, That's running wide open not slipping around silent catching them. He is fast but I have had dogs that were faster and never caught a coon. He will do this running a track by himself or running with other dogs. He is extremely accurate and I know he trees a lot of layups off body scent with no track. I've learned over the years that coon do not just get struck and run to a tree. A lot of them will squat like a rabbit and let the dogs run past. I've seen it several times. The dogs over run them and never get it picked back up.
So I have been thinking that one reason he catches so many is because he is so good at picking up body scent like when he trees lay ups. The other night I watched it happen. He was with two pups and was running a coon up a fence row coming right at me. I seen the coon coming and he crossed a log and squatted down on the other side. Everything come over the log but when he got about 10 feet past it he through his head up and went strait to the coon and caught it. Was this a fluke or is this how he is doing it all the time? If so I have other dogs that were layup dogs and didn't do this?
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where do you hunt at? cause i have hunted in some really good places with some really good dogs and i have never heard one person over their life ever catching that many on the ground much less one dog....
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where do you hunt at? cause i have hunted in some really good places with some really good dogs and i have never heard one person over their life ever catching that many on the ground much less one dog....
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What some dogs can do with their nose that others can't and then not be to do something as good as the dog that couldn't is hard to explain. Shadlac on here probably understands locating ability better than most. I'd like to pick his brain sometime
Maybe for some reason you have a real stupid coon population. Lol. Must be the environment they grow up in.
The dog must drink alot of caffeine ....
Sounds like a nice dog that has a ton of coon sense.. Just curious what's the breeding on your dog??? Sounds like a nice outfit!!
I had a female that treed a ton of layups. One night I seen her tree a layup the whole cast didn't know was there she winded it on the turn loose went through a saddle on the ridge and treed in the field on the other side of the ridge. She winded them coon (three in one tree) 500 yards from where she treed them.
She caught them on the ground consistently. She ran with her head up and pulled hair. She caught them in the thickets and mountains of Tennessee and the corn fields of Illinois. She caught coon on the ground wherever she went.
She was an open trailer.
She was the fastest track dog I have ever been in the woods with and the most accurate treedog.
She didn't make as many trees as other dogs I have owned.
She just had a great nose and knew how to use it. She caught probably 1-2 per month and as high as 3 in one night. It was not uncommon for her.
She was a black and tan out of Two Time Albert.
It may have been like he said, she tracked the body/air scent so she caught them when others missed them on the dodge.
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I am pretty sure a whole lot of dogs catch coon on the ground , and a lot of them get shocked for it , how many times has your dog or dogs left out screaming and get almost out of hearing , sound like they are treed for a few , and then go silent. Tom and I have had this happen when hunting together and it has happened quite a few times every year not just with Tom but my other hunting buddies as well Gary , Pat , Kooper , Justin etc. especially in January , February and March.
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where do you hunt at? cause i have hunted in some really good places with some really good dogs and i have never heard one person over their life ever catching that many on the ground much less one dog....
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Mine catch every cage coon I cut loose !! Bring um down here see how many they catch ! You must have really clean woods.
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I seen a b&t several years ago, he was old and slow, would jack a track bad. He had been a good dog when he was young. But the one thing he would do, for some reason unknown to me is catch coon on the ground. He caught several.
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Joey your a pretty bright fellow. What do you feel it is that allows this dog to catch these coon. You say he isn't silent and I have always thought this was the biggest reason for something like this happening.
I have never had one do this. Down here in this thick stuff the outcome you see from a coon being pushed hard is the coon ending up in smaller trees or trees you can tell it is not comfortable in.
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I hunt in the delta and its wide open woods and I have one of ours that is almost silent on track. It's no big deal to tree 7-8 or more a night where my camp is between delta national and a lot of other public land right there. In 5 years I've seen one coon caught on the ground up there and I'm pretty sure it was sickly. I'd love to see him go if you came down and hunted one weekend in the fall.
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You say this dog is an open trailing track dog? How open is open in your definition? Some would call a dog that opens a couple times before it trees an open trailing dog. I suppose if this dog is extremely fast and you have ground that is pretty open, meaning no briars, thick swamps, rocky/ledgey, etc. it's possible. It'd be rare that's for sure.
Is this dog chop mouth or bawl mouth on track?
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You say this dog is an open trailing track dog? How open is open in your definition? Some would call a dog that opens a couple times before it trees an open trailing dog. I suppose if this dog is extremely fast and you have ground that is pretty open, meaning no briars, thick swamps, rocky/ledgey, etc. it's possible. It'd be rare that's for sure.
Is this dog chop mouth or bawl mouth on track?
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Originally posted by Larry Mullins
I seen a b&t several years ago, he was old and slow, would jack a track bad. He had been a good dog when he was young. But the one thing he would do, for some reason unknown to me is catch coon on the ground. He caught several.
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Joey ,
Ive got a young dog that is doing the same thing . BUT he is not catching coon on the ground like you describe ... not yet anyways.
He ALWAYS is winding and treeing on the body of the coon , runs with head in the air , always wanting to walk on back legs while on lead, and has a VERY GOOD nose on him. Smells coon other dogs dont even know is around. He doesnt tree just to hear his head rattle. He also has some holes were working on as well .
He is the most INTELLIGENT dog ive ever owned or seen Period.
I think that is your dog , hes just extremely intelligent !! !!!! and has great nose and winding ability. SMART SUCKER !!!!!
Joey ,
Im curious and you got me thinking......
By chance will your dog wind a coon outta the box while driving and prior to pulling up to your location to cut loose and go the opposite direction you cut him or want him to go to find out hes heading where you just drove through and trees a coon sitting up you just drove by or under several hundred yards away ?
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Joey ,
Im curious and you got me thinking......
By chance will your dog wind a coon outta the box while driving and prior to pulling up to your location to cut loose and go the opposite direction you cut him or want him to go to find out hes heading where you just drove through and trees a coon sitting up you just drove by or under several hundred yards away ?
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Joey if you have been close enough to him when coming on a tree. Do you notice that sometimes he would come into the tree making you think he is seeing the coon up there instead of smelling it on the side of the tree? These dogs have a lot of different styles. Just when you thought you have seen it all. Something new pops up.
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Guess he figured out that the frog ponds are the McDonalds of the raccoon society!! LOL!
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Originally posted by DL NH
You say this dog is an open trailing track dog? How open is open in your definition? Some would call a dog that opens a couple times before it trees an open trailing dog. I suppose if this dog is extremely fast and you have ground that is pretty open, meaning no briars, thick swamps, rocky/ledgey, etc. it's possible. It'd be rare that's for sure.
Is this dog chop mouth or bawl mouth on track?
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I sure would love to see him go right here. You are welcome anytime. Come for a week nov.-feb. Won’t have many pop ups that time a year so I would at least get to watch him run some tracks or catch some tracks that way. In no way am I being a smart butt either. If he can do that here I’ve got a female I sure would like bred to him.
If he has any grit about him, he would be my type of bear dog.
I say right here because my coon don’t circle and duck and dodge like a bobcat. At least I’ve never ran a coon long enough for it to make a circle. It would make for an interesting experiment for me anyway.
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