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4 dog cast, dogs ABandC are struck.
AandB are treed deep left
Dog C treed Deep right.
Both trees close and while walking toward A and B dog D is struck and teed close to the cast.
Handlers A and B go to handle their dogs while the judge and dog Ds handler handle him.
Judge and Ds handler go to dog C and handle him.
Cast meets at area of Ds tree and agree to score Ds tree first but Dog D has gone quiet and he and his tree cant be found.
While looking we find his chewed leash at the base of the tree where he was handled. NOW WHAT?
Can Ds tree be scored while he is missing?
Now dog D shows up at his tree and is rehandled, Now can his tree be scored?
What if Dog D cant be found? Can you call timeout and give D his hour, and if you do can you minus him both ways after he has been handled?
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Why run the five on D IF A B C already treed?
Seems like it should be scored as always if the judge told the handler to handle his dog, it chewin the leash is just something that happens
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just score all the trees n call time out if all agree.(ya cant call time out before u score all trees or no pts count) if d isn't there to handle he has an hour to get him.
u r not supposed to score trees out of order, regardless of what the cast agrees on,or how convenient it is .Ther is luanguage that allows for add 15 min. bac into ur hunt time if split tree distance xceed that time.
Appears yaw need a new judge that can apply the rules not one that agrees with the majority.
Heres the root of my question...... When a dog that has been handled at a tree goes missing before the tree is scored how are his points delt with? Give me a rule or something from the advisor that backs it up.
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Yes score it in pkc. Pkc board Ukc. I have no idea. Id minus the dog. Be no different than the 2 catching him after the five was up. I don't have a rule number or know if its right but in my eyes. It does not need 125+ points if it left a Coon. His strike would open back up. Then when he came back. He could tree it again. Plus that's why I use a solid cable and chain lol.
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He was handled at the tree so score him. I really don’t have any idea how UKC will handle this. Until I get a official answer he will be scored. If he had not came back then after the other trees were scored the handler would have one hour to catch his dog to be recast. I can’t point out a rule for you but until I was told otherwise that’s how I would handle it. Let’s see what UKC says.
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If a dog leaves a tree, I minus them. What difference does it make if the dog was handled or if the judge said "handle your dog"? If they leave, they should be minused based on rule 4(c). It says minus when dog leaves tree. It DOESN'T say minus when dog leaves tree UNLESS IT WAS HANDLED or minus when dog leaves tree UNLESS JUDGE HAS SAID HANDLE YOUR DOG. It just says minus if dog leaves the tree. Seems simple enough to me.
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You could be absolutely correct Jim, but all the requirements for that tree to be scored were met.
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Minus on tree & he's holding his strike open .
When a judge gives the order to handle dogs at a tree and one dog takes off running, he gets minused, period.
This is a slightly different situation since the dog was handled. I don't believe I've ever seen an interpretation on this. At that point he no longer has to bark once every 2 minutes which suggests that he has met the requirements of being "at the tree".
But, what do you do if you can't find the tree? You can't walk around the woods all night looking for the other half of his leash. You have the dog and no tree and tree points to score. Seems like he deserves some minus since he DID leave a tree and has a bad habit.
I'll be looking for an official interpretation on this.
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Originally posted by JiM
If a dog leaves a tree, I minus them. What difference does it make if the dog was handled or if the judge said "handle your dog"? If they leave, they should be minused based on rule 4(c). It says minus when dog leaves tree. It DOESN'T say minus when dog leaves tree UNLESS IT WAS HANDLED or minus when dog leaves tree UNLESS JUDGE HAS SAID HANDLE YOUR DOG. It just says minus if dog leaves the tree. Seems simple enough to me.
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Originally posted by LIL-E
Why run the five on D IF A B C already treed?
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You may be right Jim, but i dont think its that simple. a dogs responsibility changes after he is handled, we dont require him to bark every two minutes or be minused do we.
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Seems like he deserves some minus since he DID leave a tree and has a bad habit.
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If the dog chewed his leash in 2, that's a fault. Maybe the handlers fault for not using a steel cable leash, but still a fault.
If the dog left the tree after chewing his leash in two, then that's a fault.
If the dog doesn't bark on the tree enough to find him, thats a fault.
Then, once he does leave, he comes dragging back into the cast. Another fault.
With that many faults, he deserves some minus, imo.
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quote:
Originally posted by JiM
If a dog leaves a tree, I minus them. What difference does it make if the dog was handled or if the judge said "handle your dog"? If they leave, they should be minused based on rule 4(c). It says minus when dog leaves tree. It DOESN'T say minus when dog leaves tree UNLESS IT WAS HANDLED or minus when dog leaves tree UNLESS JUDGE HAS SAID HANDLE YOUR DOG. It just says minus if dog leaves the tree. Seems simple enough to me.
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To clarify when it comes to "one of the dogs declared treed must bark at least once every two minutes or be minused" (or something to that affect), it is UKC's postion that the two no longer applies once the dog(s) is handled.
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I picture Todd and Allen reading this with the Blake Shelton song Some Beach running through their heads. LMAO!!!! Do you think a day will ever come when we have exhausted every possible scenario and situation? What a nightmare their jobs must be. Thanks for the hard work and dedication guys. LOL!!!!!!!!!!
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