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IMO, it partially has to do with training, I think a lot I young dogs with ability (because it is necessary to first have some ability) get shocked off hard tracks so much at a young age because their handler thinks they are taking too long and never fully learn to use their nose, it's not that teir hot nosed, they just get taught not to mess with something that isn't hot. Just my 2 cents.

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Originally posted by Oak Ridge
The truth of the matter is that most coon hunters today have never hunted with a TRUE track dog. Until you have seen a dog run a 24 hour old cat track in two feet of snow, or seen a dog grub out a two day old track in the desert, and work that track until they are running it to catch....

I have only had one true phenominal track dog in my 40 years of hunting....and once you see one, it certainly changes your perception of a track dog

To put it into perspective for coon hunting, this is the dog that snatches tracks away from the ground pounders and runs them like they were painted on the ground....and not many dogs can do that.

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I am not saying that anyone who has responded is like this, but the majority of folks that are talking about "track dogs" are talking about what I call ground pounders....those dogs that open freely on the ground, but make little to no forward progress...or they bark here, bark there, open somewhere else and really are not "connecting the dots"....those are NOT track dogs....

And in reality there was someone promoting a certain line. I've hunted with several of those dogs...and the one that really did most of the winning, I judged in a world hunt. He scored high, but didn't run a coon track all night....ran junk and fell off on a coon to get treed....went back out and ran a coyote the whole next two hours and did not advance any further, not what we are talking about here. If you like that kind of dog...that is fine with me...but that is not a track dog.

Truly when you have seen a "heads up" moving a track forward kind of dog you will understand. I had one, one year at Autumn Oaks is was incredibly dry....Lots and lots of dogs were struggling to even move a track. We were pleasure hunting and there were three big named stud dogs pecking on a track in a bean field....I sat and listened to them for about a half hour....I went to my truck, put a tracking collar on my old Spring Creek Rock bred male and turned him loose in the bean field. He went over to where the other dogs were pecking around, opened quickly and was treed with a coon in less than three minutes. He ran that track across the bean field only opening about 10 times and never twice in the same spot.....I am telling you he RAN that track...not straddled it RAN it.. the other dogs simply could not smell what he was smelling....no junk, no pottering, just pure track power

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Oak ridge we have the same idea of what a track dog is. Good track dogs today seem to be a rare thing even the old slow trailing dogs that would have a coon are hard to find

Best track dog I ever seen was a dog out of windy hills trinity. Not only he was a track dog but was consistent and had a coon. I've been on the look out for one like him the last 15 years. might never find one that I can afford to buy but will keep looking and keep messing with pups till I do.

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I totally agree with Oak Ridge. I have bred for track dogs for 35 years and have produced some good ones. I have owned one great one and he was not my breed. He was a B&T named Moonlite Major. He was unbelievable. He believed he could catch any coon he opened on. I once listened to a friends cold nosed dog work a track for 45 minutes. I asked him if it was a really cold track and he said it was super cold. I turned Major in and he blew it out of there in under 5 minutes about a 1/4 mile away and treed it. The cold nosed dog got there in about 45 more minutes. Once you have seen a good one your never satisfied with average.

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Finley River dogs are track minded. My sons male dog takes tracks as he comes to them, doesn't mind working, and when he trees he usually has a coon. He's a coondog. If you are looking call Roger Prater in Concord, GA.

a good track dog will have the coon when they tree,slick treeing dogs are poor track dogs no matter how good they sound running it.

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Originally posted by patches9452
people quit breeding for track and just make them loners so they can fly thru the country and tree those easy ones.... that way they never have to know what kind of track dog they have

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Oak ridge and Mr Morgan do either of y'all competition hunt much ?

there all track dogs just most of them have the check the tree for tap bred out of them (smart coon dumb dog syndrome ) otherwise known as scdds. (for short) its our own fault compromising accuracy for speed for bragging rights over who has the best ! the best dogs get a coon or honest den or check in when no coon are within a reasonable distance and the true track dog gives mouth according to track !

Btt

Cornboy, I used to competition hunt all over the country. Now I hunt some of the close ones. I have my young dog with Steven Brabham in Ms. He is hauling him to some hunts, just getting started. He did win a first in the first one he entered with the only coon treed in the hunt and no other dog opening on the track.

Have you been working with the same line of hounds for several years ? Mr Morgan are you the same David Morgan that makes the laser torch ?

cornboy, Yes we make Laser Torch Lights. I have bred and hunted the same line for 36 years. They are primarily House but other lines added in. I like a dog that can take a cold track across rough country and have a coon. I find that nose and mouth are the two traits most easily bred out of dogs.

Those kind of dogs are rare these days . I met you at the grand american last year I got the pro and I talked to you about the great ministry work y'all are doing a bible with every purchase

If you come to Gr. American this year look me up and ask me about the Tommy Primeaux story. You will enjoy it.

I'll see you there brother . I may call you in the near future to talk dogs