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Phrases or Tag Lines we hang on dogs.

So many Tag Lines have been hung on our dogs over the years. Many were for fun and some fit. But maybe it's the new generation of hunters, maybe it is just life. But in todays world they seem to get hung on the dogs and the new hunters start to accept them as something positive or the way it should be.

I like an Independent dog. But the deep and lonely tag line hung on dogs is showing a sign of weakness or a fault in the hounds. That should not be dealt with but bred or trained out of them.

Another one I am now seeing and I really dislike. "Arrive Late and Get Ate" Now we can sling this phrase around and we can normalize it. But there is nothing about it we should accept. But the phrase will allowl all the new people to the sport to think. That is the norm.

I don't dislike a catchy phrase. But I don't like them normalizing a problem.

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I can tell you the phrase if your dog ate up the wrong guys dog back in the day.



When you wake up you can bar me if you like.




Tar

Unfortunately that phrase ' come late get ate ' is excepted by disrespectful hunters that feel winning is more important than being admired for the quality of dog they carry to the hunts. What they don't understand is winning isn't going to get them respect when people learn what kinda dog and win is acceptable to them. But they will get some cash for whatever that's worth.

"Tree Monster" should not be anything to be proud of. Or at least that's the way I see it.

I’ve had a few rough ones over the years and can assure you they don’t tree any more coons. Why someone would hunt one like that is beyond me.

Hunted with a young man last night that is not very experienced in coon hunting. He had a young dog that wouldn't know anything about treeing a coon but was chasing my male dog off the tree. Luckily my dog is pretty mild mannered. He literally would chase him out in the pasture away from the tree. I caught his dog and told him to put him in the truck. He asked me what I would do with him and I told him I would shoot him right there.

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Tom Wood

I love the fellowship of good hunters. I love a good hound no matter whom it belongs to. But some of the exceptable behaviors of nowadays dogs and men in the hunts that they think is ok when I read it I want to quit hunting.



Tar

Tar

I guess you and I are definitely old school, I agree with the instant karma approach you mentioned in an earlier post. "Wake up and bar me later", I don't like being run over by a dog or a man. Lol. Dave. P.S. got any fish or pear pie left?

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Got to take the last piece of pie to randy tomorrow. Got plenty of fish left. Sure would have like to seen the look on some of these younger ones face when they made one of the older ones I come up with upset. A dog was a really respected and very much an important part of the family back then.


Tar

I've seen that phrase "cover late get ate" on Facebook and was couldn't believe that guys actually feel it's ok. If I had an old dog that covered late and one of these young guys dogs ate it up the dog would first get wrote up then they'd hope we never were drawn out again. Doesn't matter the kc scratched for fighting 3 times the dog is barred.

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Pete Rhines

This maybe a little off the topic. I grew up in a time where a dog had to do what it was bred for or it wouldn’t last long. Am sure there are still youth out there that are being taught the same way. But for the most part they are being taught the ways on how to win these hunts. That’s fine if that’s how you want to play the game. I believe dogs are being bred now days to fit a mans ego. Rule book dogs . Traits are being bred in that really has nothing to do with how a real coon dog should operate. In my opinion you can have a dog that shows you eyes every time it trees. But , all the other things that’s in the middle is what counts. If we want our dogs to be bred strictly for competition hunting that’s fine. But remember that will be man made. Rules will change, meaning dogs will more than likely have to be bred different. Forgetting about rules an getting back to what makes a coon dog is what matters. A lot more quiet time setting on a stump .

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Originally posted by Sgraves
This maybe a little off the topic. I grew up in a time where a dog had to do what it was bred for or it wouldn’t last long. Am sure there are still youth out there that are being taught the same way. But for the most part they are being taught the ways on how to win these hunts. That’s fine if that’s how you want to play the game. I believe dogs are being bred now days to fit a mans ego. Rule book dogs . Traits are being bred in that really has nothing to do with how a real coon dog should operate. In my opinion you can have a dog that shows you eyes every time it trees. But , all the other things that’s in the middle is what counts. If we want our dogs to be bred strictly for competition hunting that’s fine. But remember that will be man made. Rules will change, meaning dogs will more than likely have to be bred different. Forgetting about rules an getting back to what makes a coon dog is what matters. A lot more quiet time setting on a stump .

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I always worry that threads like these put the few negative people in this sport instead of all the wonderful hunts that the majority have. Don't focus on a few and there comments on a sport that needs positive coverage to draw people in.
I'm going to make a different kind of post....positive!
We were at the Oklahoma State Championship over this weekend and in 68 entries over the weekend not one question came in, not one dog or man wrote up for fighting. There were a bunch of good people, good fellowship and good food!
I will also add that we travel around the country to alot of hunts in various kennel clubs most go exactly like the above. If you want to make a difference and be a positive light for the future of this sport put the focus on all the great things that happen at the hunts and all the friends you've made along the way.

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Redneck Mafia thanks for reminding us that this is a great sport. 99 out of 100 hunts are very enjoyable. Very thankful for the privilege of hunting good dogs. I need an attitude of gratitude. Thanks again for the reminder/

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Phrases

"They're just dogs", I can't stand it when people say that.

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Never heard the phrase before. Usually these kinda dogs go away round here sooner or later

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Bruce i agree 100%!

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Originally posted by T Felderman
"They're just dogs", I can't stand it when people say that.

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Dogs

Most of the problems we have with our dogs have to do with our egos. A man's ego is a heavy burden for most dogs to have to carry. None of can live up to our egos, much less a dog. Dave

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Dave Richards Treeing Walkers Reg American Saddlebred and Registered Rocky Mt. Show Horses

My dogs never know who I'm turning loose with so they don't care. I know they're not worth snot. But I make the mistake of comparing them to dogs described on here or facebook and they get short changed. So it is a man's ego in my opinion that hurts a dog. In all honesty I'm hunting 3 pups and I do miss my old broke dogs that couldn't keep up with all these super dogs I read about. But I love what I have and as long as I'm feeding them I guess I'm the only one that has to put up with them lol

Charlie

As I have grown older I have seen myself havingvway more fun when I stopped being so ego driven. Egos get in the way of true pleasure, we do not have to have the best of anything to enjoy the things we have. I hunted with my 81 year old hunting buddy last night with only his dog and I had a blast. He has a really good dog and I enjoy hunting with his dog just as much as I do hunting my dogs. Enjoy your dogs, but treasure the friendships you have and hunting with their dogs. Dave

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Ego driven...I really cannot say it has ever been a problem for me with dogs unless I am in denial...🤔
I believe it has more to do with expectations and logic...usually by 6-8 months I know if I will keep the pup and if I don’t like it I give it away because it still has potential for becoming a decent dog...

Once I decide he is a keeper then he is a part of the family...there won’t be any excuses but there can be reasons...

The other day one of my dogs did ok and not to my expectations but there was a reason for it...he had a cut on one of his front feet toes pad that wasn’t completely healed...he hunted ok but not his normal hunting style...

There are excuses and there are reasons...a big difference,
and we must know the difference between the two...

In knowing the difference we will be fair to our hunting dogs that we think highly of...
We also know not to make excuses for a dog that really doesn’t hunt like it should and hopefully will never be bred so we can minimize the percentages of junk that gets bred and produced...

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Best advice I can give anyone was given to me by a good friend.


"They're dogs, not gods. Same letters just spelled different."

The reason I was told this is because 95% or more don't meet my expectations. I've gone through roughly 40 dogs in the past year to get what I want. And what I want you can't teach 1 to do it. It either has that ability or it doesn't.

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Originally posted by novicane65
Best advice I can give anyone was given to me by a good friend.


"They're dogs, not gods. Same letters just spelled different."

The reason I was told this is because 95% or more don't meet my expectations. I've gone through roughly 40 dogs in the past year to get what I want. And what I want you can't teach 1 to do it. It either has that ability or it doesn't.

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Rueben

My comment about ego driven relates to a man being so concerned about himself and his dogs that he can't enjoy the things others have. Some folks just can't appreciate another man's dog, they just want to find faults. When we look for the good, we can usually find it. To paraphrase a bible verse, we need to remove the plank from our eyes to see the speck in our neighbors eyes. All things have good and bad points depending on the one evaluating as to what is what. I have found the more I put others in front of myself the better I feel. I don't have to tree the most coons, catch the most fish, or be the best to enjoy myself. I spent years wanting to outdo others in all of the things I pursued in life, cheating myself from the thrill of seeing other folks success . Now, I get the reward of seeing others excel in the things they do in life. Dave

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