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Originally posted by ole hoss
How would one go about making one bark, I’ve shut a few up in my time but never been able to make one bark
Re: I had the honor--
quote:
Originally posted by OLD TIMER
of meeting Lou Holtz when he was coaching the MN Gophers and he said
"You can Coach someone with natural talent, but you can't teach it."
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Re: I had the honor--
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Originally posted by OLD TIMER
of meeting Lou Holtz when he was coaching the MN Gophers and he said
"You can Coach someone with natural talent, but you can't teach it."
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Training dogs is not so much about quantity, it's more about timing, and the right situations...After that it's up to the dog....A hunting dog is born...
Anybody that don’t know the difference in a good honest natural coon treeing dog and a man made dog ain’t been out much.
Tar
with you Tar! or those folks just hasn't walked behind a natural yet ! they just thank they have. walk behind one you will realize how its suppose to be done.
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Originally posted by yadkintar
Let me refrase that they teach them to do things that are not natural traits. Like bumping them past coons with the E collar so they only get the deep ones. Teaching to rattle non stop never shutting up to go get that deep coon. Cmon Cory you know what I am talken bout lol.
Tar
quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
Let me refrase that they teach them to do things that are not natural traits. Like bumping them past coons with the E collar so they only get the deep ones. Teaching to rattle non stop never shutting up to go get that deep coon. Cmon Cory you know what I am talken bout lol.
Tar
quote:
Originally posted by SEMO
How do you teach one to rattle non stop, I can stop or slow it down if he naturally does it but if hes a last strike dog I've never figured how to
make him bark non stop.
The closest I ever saw was Ole Elvis Attack doing his tricks I believe he would speak, shake hands and play dead.
Please tell me how you teach one to Babble?
Thanks
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There's something else that the great ones have besides talent and that is guts and grit! Seen a few very talented hounds that lacked in the guts and grit dept. get showed up by hounds that had the extra fire it took to finish the job.
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quote:
Originally posted by SEMO
How do you teach one to rattle non stop, I can stop or slow it down if he naturally does it but if hes a last strike dog I've never figured how to
make him bark non stop.
The closest I ever saw was Ole Elvis Attack doing his tricks I believe he would speak, shake hands and play dead.
Please tell me how you teach one to Babble?
Thanks
quote:
Originally posted by SEMO
How do you teach one to rattle non stop, I can stop or slow it down if he naturally does it but if hes a last strike dog I've never figured how to
make him bark non stop.
The closest I ever saw was Ole Elvis Attack doing his tricks I believe he would speak, shake hands and play dead.
Please tell me how you teach one to Babble?
Thanks
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quote:back in the 80s i had a man made coon treeing machine ,fur was at a all time high ,hounds even pups were selling for more than a 15 year old kid could afford . so i used the only dog that i had to work with at the time , a full blooded border collie , put 54 hides in the freezer with him his first season in 2 weeks , ralph hated coon and was eager to please his master , it was a job skinning and carrying the fur he put up ,
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
A man made dog has to be smart to be trainable. They also have to be eager to please their master. A lot of those naturals are crazy and won't pay a bit of attention to their handler. A lot of those man made dogs are not counterfeits. An intelligent, eager to please, trainable dog in the right hands can be molded into a dog that is hard to beat.
Dogs today are one dimensional ( man made ) excel at their kind of coon. Back in the day dogs took them as they came to them not culling tracks if the coons were not down they treed them layup those traits have been bred out.
Tar
quote:Tar , I know it’s a personal preference. You used to hear the phrase meat dog an competition dog. The old folks would use that phrase quite often. They didn’t like the competition kind. We used to walk hunt our dogs . Cast them an they would hunt out 5 to 6 hundred yards an make a circle an come back. Go the other direction an do the same thing. They didn’t strick nothing we would walk on. Dogs hunted with you . Kinda got away from that. Now we want to cast them , sit on tailgate an let them go as far as need be. Again, it’s all in what a man wants. Kinda believe now a dog learns to just run until it finds a easy coon to tree. We have took away the things that make a dog.
Originally posted by yadkintar
Dogs today are one dimensional ( man made ) excel at their kind of coon. Back in the day dogs took them as they came to them not culling tracks if the coons were not down they treed them layup those traits have been bred out.
Tar
I still send mine from the tailgate but they don’t cull their tracks they get treed I ain’t in no hurry to get to them. I think people that hurry to trees cause a dog to commit on trees they normally wouldn’t.
But a dog does have to hustle here to strike a coon sometimes.
Tar
quote:
Originally posted by SEMO
How do you teach one to rattle non stop, I can stop or slow it down if he naturally does it but if hes a last strike dog I've never figured how to
make him bark non stop.
The closest I ever saw was Ole Elvis Attack doing his tricks I believe he would speak, shake hands and play dead.
Please tell me how you teach one to Babble?
Thanks
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Is it any wonder the gene pools get watered down with junk? No true hound man or woman would knowingly breed junk like that. No matter what type of hunting dog you can think of, other than possibly bear or hog dogs, before it receives any degree period ought to have to prove it can satisfactorily produce game in the WILD SOLO!
Actually it might not be a bad idea if they had to prove that before they could be entered into competition hunts where points towards a degree are awarded.
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Dan
I like a pup to know a lot when they start,you can tell rite from the start if they have" it ".... or not.
Ray Charles can see the "it factor",them are the ones I am lookin for...and I have never seen a dumb one have the "it ".
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"It" factor......
Please share more about the "It" factor. I've been hunting hounds for a long time and still haven't learned it all, so please give some specifics. Sure others would benefit as well.
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Dan
The short answer is the "it factor" is intelligence or coon sense.
Guess my short answer would be it's all in the inheritance.........of which intelligence plays an important roll.
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Re: "It" factor......
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Originally posted by DL NH
Please share more about the "It" factor. I've been hunting hounds for a long time and still haven't learned it all, so please give some specifics. Sure others would benefit as well.
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Re: Re: "It" factor......
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Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
Most wouldn't recognize it if it snuck up and bit them they give up on pups full of fire or ruin them with a shocker at a young age.
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Dan
I had a dog with "coon sense" once. When you turned him loose he went looking for a coon. He seemed to just know where they were. Up North in thick coon and patch woods, he would just go from one tree to the next and tree every coon in the woods. My buddies called him the Census Taker. I just called him Mongo Red.
They seem to know where the food source is , where the closest water is and how the Coons are moving and ECT.ect.even in unfamiliar territory....... THEY JUST KNOW!!! And these kind of dogs are always extremely accurate!!
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