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The " New" Competitive Edge
When will we see the competition world start breeding for the "new" competitive edge? This thread is specifically about close hunting dogs and who likes them. Do you think that "close with a coon" is going to start trumping "deep and lonely" on a more regular basis? Are people breeding for closer hunting, competitive dogs yet, or do they already exist?
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Corey Gruver
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That no leash lock rule is going to change everything in my opinion for the better.
Tar
Several handlers will have to start winning with one before hunters start breeding for them. "I think" that handlers would first start reining in those deep hunters.
I like to run a variety of treeing game and “close with a coon” doesn’t get that job done. I’ll just stick with what we’ve got going and if it doesn’t work with the new rules will probably go to less hunts.
I think people already got them they just didn’t like competing running those grueling marathons with their dog on the leash all night.
Tar
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That no leash lock rule is going to change everything in my opinion for the better.
Tar
U know the dogs I've had tree behind my dog was slick so wheres these amazing dogs at?🤔
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I'd say location has a lot to do with everyone's opinion on a close hunting dog. A close hunter won't be very successful in the deep south or out west, I would imagine.
But goodness, there should be a fair amount of them where raccoons are plentiful. Nothing was ever more irritating to me then walking past three coon sitting up to go tree the one at the end of the block
Anybody raising, competing with or training closer hunting dogs right now?
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Corey Gruver
Greenville, PA
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Originally posted by Corey Gruver
I'd say location has a lot to do with everyone's opinion on a close hunting dog. A close hunter won't be very successful in the deep south or out west, I would imagine.
But goodness, there should be a fair amount of them where raccoons are plentiful. Nothing more irritating to me then walking past three coon sitting up to go tree the one at the end of the block
Anybody raising, competing with or training closer hunting dogs right now?
Tar
That dog should be worth a pretty penny where you are from. I guess that close hunters and treeing them as they come can be one and the same most of the time, cant they??
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Corey Gruver
Greenville, PA
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Re: Tar
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Originally posted by Corey Gruver
That dog should be worth a pretty penny where you are from. I guess the those two types can be one and the same most of the time, cant they??
I want to tree the first coon up thick coon or thin coon , I don't care if it's in 3 acre patch right from tailgate or mile deep.
But a dog that don't have any depth or desire to GO and find a coon here where I hunt will have a different owner cause he won't live here.
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Corey I have 2 dogs. One trees close coons and one goes deeep. One works bad tracks and gets treed while the other one will leave them and go looking for a better track. Guess which one I hunt and which one sits in her kennel.
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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Corey I have 2 dogs. One trees close coons and one goes deeep. One works bad tracks and gets treed while the other one will leave them and go looking for a better track. Guess which one I hunt and which one sits in her kennel.
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Corey Gruver
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To bad you didn't live close enough to hunt with my female Corey. She'd put a smile on your face.
Of course...
What is everyone definition of what constitutes "close hunting"? I'm sure that definition is different for all of us.
My idea of a close hunting HOUND is 300-400 yards max. What's yours?
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Originally posted by Corey Gruver
What is everyone definition of what constitutes "close hunting"? I'm sure that definition is different for all of us.
My idea of a close hunting HOUND is 300-400 yards max. What's yours?
My definition is one that hunts in a circle or actually "hunts" the woods you put them in and doesn't straight line into the next county. They will also come back and check in If they can't find a track. Time or distance doesn't have that much to do with it.
There are some "close hunting" dogs that actually just have a very good nose and know how to hunt. They always seem to get struck at less than 400 yds so their owner thinks that they are a close hunter. But if they dont get struck, they keep going until they do.
And there are many variations of a close hunter but one that only goes 50-200 yds, comes back and stands beside you is a non-hunting dog.
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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
My definition is one that hunts in a circle or actually "hunts" the woods you put them in and doesn't straight line into the next county. They will also come back and check in If they can't find a track. Time or distance doesn't have that much to do with it.
There are some "close hunting" dogs that actually just have a very good nose and know how to hunt. They always seem to get struck at less than 400 yds so their owner thinks that they are a close hunter. But if they dont get struck, they keep going until they do.
And there are many variations of a close hunter but one that only goes 50-200 yds, comes back and stands beside you is a non-hunting dog.
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Corey Gruver
Greenville, PA
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I like for 1 to tree coons as close as possible anymore. But I want it done fast. I want the dog to be moving around at a higher rate of speed than most dogs move. I like a dog to move at 7+mph. I want a dog to tree coon as they come to them, but don't want one to bog down on a track that it can't handle. I like a dog that can tree layups, runners and can ambush if it has the opportunity too. I like for a dog to make a 500 yard loop and come by within hearing distance and go as far as needed after that first loop. To me a close hunting dog is anything under 300, a medium hunter is 300-900, and deep hunter 900+.
I believe there will be a shift in what guys will be leading around soon. Might not happen over night, but it will happen.
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I would not tree many coons with dogs that hunt 200-300yds and check in here in Alabama. Been in a lot of hunts where that close hunter is at the truck and ole deep and lonely is in yonder under a coon. I believe territory and coon population affects what kind of hound we hunt to be successful. I can see where the close hunting,coon treeing dog would be very successful in the higher coon populated northern states.
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Well on one turnout my dog doesn't hunt far enough to suit me and on the next he goes too far. Wish he could read my mind how far I want him to go. In reality he hunts about the same on each turn out but the size of the place to hunt changes how far I want him to go.
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Where we hunt we have to have a dog that will do whatever to get one trees don't want one passing up coons but want one that will go get it done . We don't hunt buckets we hunt good farms with decent coo. Population but the problem we are running into is the modern day man movement into our hunting grounds it at least where we live and hu t is going to get to where you need a four or five hundred yard dog that will hunt a circle just to keep you out of jail.
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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
My definition is one that hunts in a circle or actually "hunts" the woods you put them in and doesn't straight line into the next county. They will also come back and check in If they can't find a track. Time or distance doesn't have that much to do with it.
There are some "close hunting" dogs that actually just have a very good nose and know how to hunt. They always seem to get struck at less than 400 yds so their owner thinks that they are a close hunter. But if they dont get struck, they keep going until they do.
And there are many variations of a close hunter but one that only goes 50-200 yds, comes back and stands beside you is a non-hunting dog.
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