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The Clover Bloodline
The pup I just bought has some of old Clover back in her pedigree and I'm trying to find out all I can about her lines and stuff.
I know Clover really impacted the Walker breed, but what all can you guys tell me about him and his line of pups? I searched on here and found some good reading material, but looking for more if anyone has anything to share about it.
Thank a lot!
Laura
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Re: The Clover Bloodline
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Originally posted by Camopup
The pup I just bought has some of old Clover back in her pedigree and I'm trying to find out all I can about her lines and stuff.
I know Clover really impacted the Walker breed, but what all can you guys tell me about him and his line of pups? I searched on here and found some good reading material, but looking for more if anyone has anything to share about it.
Thank a lot!
Laura
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Are Stylish Harry dogs the same type of dogs as the Clover dogs?
I noticed Harry's mother was a littermate to Stylish Clover.
Travis,
I've never owned a Harry dog....so I could not say. I have hunted with a few, and I would say "no", not in general.
The Harry dogs were bred for color as well as for ability, and in doing so I would think that some traits were separated.
Most Harry dogs are Tan headed, blanket backed dogs....VERY FEW clover dogs are....
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Isn't Joker's mom Harry bred?
Clover and Harry
Never hunted w/ Sty Harry or Whitey,hunted w/ alot of there offspring and got to hunt alittle w/ Ole Chirpee.Seen alot of "UGLY" dogs out of both,but I would say there tree style and Harry seemed to throw some super hyper dogs made them alittle different.On average I would say the Clover dogs have more track than tree,med to wide hunters,good track mouths,but you will get some bawl mouth treedogs and tended to chew/mark the trees they were on and seem more inclined to bounce on a tree alittle.They also good about having coons when you tree.
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There is a difference between Stylish Clover (Whitey) and Clover. And a difference in Stylish Harry dogs compared other Clover hounds.
I've hunted with lots of Wild Casey dogs and a few Stylish Harry grandpups. Big difference in the dogs.
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Isn't Joker's mom Harry bred?
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Thanks for the replies!
I'm just trying to find out all I can about Clover. Couple questions that I'm looking to answer are,
What Traits do you guys see in his line?
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What makes his line popular?
Oak Ridge, I'll be sending you a PM later today, Thanks!
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Originally posted by Camopup
Thanks for the replies!
I'm just trying to find out all I can about Clover. Couple questions that I'm looking to answer are,
What Traits do you guys see in his line?
&
What makes his line popular?
Oak Ridge, I'll be sending you a PM later today, Thanks!
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Clover dogs tend to be a bit "ugly" as in black and white in color and black headed. Often a lot of white which I think comes from Bozo. They tend to be ticked up as well which probably comes from a touch of bluetick in there somewhere.
They tend to be independant to extremely independant, accurate, stay put tree dogs.
In my opinion, a few years back it seemed a lot of lines of Walkers were still very track minded and some lines were extremely junky on fast game. I think Clover helped change that. Clover made a huge impact on the breed. Lots of the All Grand pedigrees show Clover a ways back, lots of the old lines also show Clover in there somewhere too. Clover was a reproducer as were his most famous sons, Wild Casey & Tony's Wild Clover, and Stylish Clover. Not sure about Stylish Clover but I know Clover and Casey seemed to cross well on any line of dog.
In my opinion, a good balanced track & tree,older blooded dog such as Finley River, House, or Yadkin River crossed on a Clover blooded dog seems to produce good track dogs and accurate stay put tree dogs that tend to split tree. Just my opinions.
Joe beat me to it.
hi
camo pup this is tiffany Clover is from my country and i don't believe,But out of 17 dogs in my kennel 16 have clover in their pedigree{the 17 is black headed but is a jack russell} it is true clover dogs mostly have black head and beauty is in the eye of the beholder*but ugly is only in the color boys not in the confrimation! I saw some one ask about stylish Harry excuse me boys but I am only 14 years old and clover is before my time. but Timothy Ball has enough pedigrees posted in enough books read them close clover on one side and logan on the other littermate boys how much more clover do you want!
second question I saw some one thinks the black head comes from Hardwood Bozo well probally true being black is suppose to be domiant and clover was directly out of bozo.*but Harry-king-rebel-Hammer we're all full brothers but i know hammer was red and white headed and he thru a lot of pretty colored hounds,so who knows but you want to know about clover get a hold of Mr Lee Logan* thanks good luck with your new dog
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second question I saw some one thinks the black head comes from Hardwood Bozo well probally true being black is suppose to be domiant and clover was directly out of bozo.*but Harry-king-rebel-Hammer we're all full brothers but i know hammer was red and white headed and he thru a lot of pretty colored hounds,so who knows but you want to know about clover get a hold of Mr Lee Logan* thanks good luck with your new dog
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Did? the blue eyes came from Queen
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Just a question... I have a Clover bred pup and she has this tiny thin pencil head... Is that comman? It seems that most I see have these big blocky heads....
Here is the link to her pedigree (sorry too lazy to write it all down)
http://www.outwesthounds.com/PEDBETTY.html
Here is a picture taken about 3 months ago.. I think she was 5 months old.. She has a big frame.. Just a really thin head and little eyes
Sorry not the best photo...
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Most Wild Casey dogs I've seen are stocky built, blocky headed dogs. I've never seen a calico eared, blue eyed, Casey dog except one that was double Casey up close. I think she had a calico ear. Most of these traits I've seen come from the Stylish Clover side.
any pics out there
any pics of old clover
Clover dogs
For what it's worth
I have seen some really good tracking ability from the Clover dogs. I have been impressed by more than one of them. Most were Tough dogs. I like them.
Jess
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Joe has told the truth and I agree with all he has said, after all, Joe is the Clover connection
I bet if Joe could keep all the other stuff "coondog" and just add the 140 bpm he would
It is a good line of walker and if you like balance and looking at a coon when you get to the tree stick with it! Different strokes for different fokes and it's your training and your time if you like that stick with it you more then likely won't be disapointed!
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Personally, I'll never feed a Walker at my place that isn't Clover blooded.
Yes, most Clover dogs are good balanced track and tree dogs but I think they're tracking ability is overlooked due to that fact that they are more known for the ability to get split treed and have the meat.
Re: any pics out there
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Originally posted by miller261
any pics of old clover
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Re: any pics out there
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any pics of old clover
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