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I would like to ?

Hunt with one of those 70% accurate dogs down here in my woods for a week. Every year at this time the wheels fall off a lot of good dogs.


Tar

Tar

Are you saying that you can follow a sure enough accurate coon dog for a hard week of hunting? Lol. I can not speak for you, but a hard week behind a coon dog would put a hurt on me, that's for sure. Seriously, the real accurate dogs should stay accurate no matter where they are hunted, but I have seen water affect dogs that were not used to water everywhere. I expect accuracy period no matter where I am hunting. Dave

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They won’t be going very far very fast unless they hit a road or an opening lol.


Tar

Tar, some of 'em don't have to go far or fast to tree a coon.

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Donald I know but when you have dogs that are around you that have even won world champioships and you are on a creek padded out with coon tracks ? One night you might be 3 for 3 then the next night you might get 1 slick 2 dens and a hole that counts against your 70% accurate every night dog.


When it’s good it’s good when it ain’t it ain’t no matter who’s dog it is.


Tar

When it’s good it’s good when it ain’t it ain’t no matter who’s dog it is.

Tar that has been my experience for 60 years. I have heard about dogs that didn't ever have a bad night but I never have hunted with one. When I think back on the dogs that I hunted with a lot (and they weren't mine) that I remember as the best I hunted with, I can still recall coming in at 3-4 maybe even daylight because we couldn't get a coon treed.

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Tom Wood

Now Tar are you getting old and blind or what??? There are 2 kinds of dogs one that might have a coon and a dog that is gonna have a coon. Those ones that might have a coon are probably struggling the ones that are gonna have a coon May not get treed or may be 2 miles but that average isn’t going to go down any. All dogs will have a bad night but I’m not gonna pack one that has less than 70% of its coons any night. I’ll just keep driving to the next county over and picking them up if they aren’t moving.

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Tar/Tom

Having a bad night is one thing, treeing 3 to 4 slicks a night is unacceptable to me. I have hunted the mountains, the swamps and the flat ground and NEVER had a slick treeing problem with any dog that I keep and feed. I have tried some that were slick treers but they never got to eat my feed. Hunting terrain should never be an excuse for a dog to slick tree and I don't pay any attention to titles either, World Champion or Platinum Champion makes no difference if they are not accurate in Jan and Feb, I would not have them as a gift. Dave

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Originally posted by yadkintar
Hunt with one of those 70% accurate dogs down here in my woods for a week. Every year at this time the wheels fall off a lot of good dogs.

Tar

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I haven't been coon hunting long as most folks I started hunting in 1978. But in my short time coon hunting I've noticed them 90% accurate dogs accuracy record is kept in a 1 night period. In a 2 week accuracy record kept in looking at actual coon eyes I would say them 90% dogs go to around 30%. I have had some go 3 nights at 100% and then the same dogs go to 10% the next week. So i would say if you got a dog that consistently shows you coons most every night it's a keeper.

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Originally posted by Vic Stoll
C’mon now tarbaby, don’t be crawfishing on us!

90% plus accurate dogs are a common thing on the UKC interweb, just read a few threads, lots of folks have them! 70% is a cull, just read on the interweb!

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Wet rotting leaves, rutting boars running during the day and dog a that takes what comes first. I bet if the ground was frozen during that same time frame they'd looked better.

During the 80's my hunting partner and I had a pair of females that were by far as accurate as I've ever seen. They weren't flashy and operated as a team and would always be together I can't recall them ever splitting from each other. Hides were high and we hunted 5-6 nights a week and killed more coons per season than I've killed in the last 15 plus years combined. Walking into a tree they made I never questioned if they were going to have him.. You might have to cut it down to see him but he was going to be there. If either one opened as much as 3 times they would tree him.. If you left them alone bever ponds cutover didn't matter they would tree him in due time. These days I wonder if he's got him on the way to every tree 😂

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Tar, I just don't understand you not believing in accurate dogs. I agree that at different times of the year it is very hard to find some of these coon. But that is not the dogs fault and a good dog will still have them even if you can't find them.

I look at it like this.
If I was going to ride a bicycle and 50% of the time I was going to fall off it. Why would I continue to ride a bicycle. If the bicycle was faulty and causing the falls. Why would I keep it.
The only coon hunters content to walking to 50% trees have to be the ones that have very easy walking conditions and just like to hear a dog barking up a tree. And then I would still consider why they would do it.
I am not going to kill snake after snake, trip over log after log thats underwater I can't see. Get ate up by skeeters and sweat like a pig. Just to look up a tree with a dog barking on it.
Any game or type of competition men play. There is a purpose and achieving that purpose usually brings you close to winning or feeling like your playing the game correctly. How in the world does anyone walk to slick tree after slick tree and not see that something is wrong. Then continue to do it.

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Bruce anytime your dog strikes a track it cannot work and simply drops it and goes on deeper and strikes a hot one it can handle its percentage goes down. If it trees three coons one night then strikes two tracks the next and has no coon the good night don’t make up for the bad. Everywhere I have ever hunted this time of year accurate dogs start missing almost to the point your so glad you have an excuse and glad it’s a den lol. Our tracks are long and cold the boars are looking for girls way before the sun goes down. Now I will say maybe a hot nosed dog that on bad nights just don’t open on nothing but short hot coons might have a better percentage. But I like track work and sometimes the coon wins in my country.


Tar

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Tar, I want to apologize. When you started out talking, I assumed you were talking about the percentage of coon in the tree when the dog treed.

I see now your talking about the percentage of tracks finished with a coon in the tree.

If you want to talk about a can of worms. Dig into peoples minds about if their dog treed the coon they first smelled. Or did they swap tracks 1, 2 or more times on the way to the tree.

I have seen many times a coon in a ditch, a coon on the side of the road. Dump a dog after seeing which way the coon went. Dog goes different direction and trees a coon.

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Originally posted by Bruce m. Conkey
Tar, I want to apologize. When you started out talking, I assumed you were talking about the percentage of coon in the tree when the dog treed.

I see now your talking about the percentage of tracks finished with a coon in the tree.

If you want to talk about a can of worms. Dig into peoples minds about if their dog treed the coon they first smelled. Or did they swap tracks 1, 2 or more times on the way to the tree.

I have seen many times a coon in a ditch, a coon on the side of the road. Dump a dog after seeing which way the coon went. Dog goes different direction and trees a coon.

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Originally posted by yadkintar
And I seen then act like that coon never existed ! I learned to not turn them loose on a coon that crosses the road for at least 10 minutes then they can smell it.


Tar

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Originally posted by Dave Richards
Having a bad night is one thing, treeing 3 to 4 slicks a night is unacceptable to me. I have hunted the mountains, the swamps and the flat ground and NEVER had a slick treeing problem with any dog that I keep and feed. I have tried some that were slick treers but they never got to eat my feed. Hunting terrain should never be an excuse for a dog to slick tree and I don't pay any attention to titles either, World Champion or Platinum Champion makes no difference if they are not accurate in Jan and Feb, I would not have them as a gift. Dave

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Originally posted by JasperBlue18
I turned my hound loose on every one I seen cross the road where I knew I safely could do so and he had no problem treeing them quickly. Never knew I was supposed to wait 10 minutes before I cut him loose lol

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Originally posted by CHEWBACH
Well said. X-2

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I had one of the hardest coonhunters that walked tell me one time if your dog has a coon every time he trees you're missing alot of coon. It took me alot of thinking to understand that statement.

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Reading through this some claim slick trees bring down the percentage of accuracy then say it's when the dog can't work the track. This is 2 different issues, one being acceptable and one NOT. A dog that can't work the track and gives up or moves on, ok maybe a bad night but a dog that gives up and starts treeing a slick tree is a liar. I do not understand why anyone would consider that acceptable behavior from a finished coon dog.
When talking about trees I've got to walk to anything less than 70% better start improving real fast or they have no right to have their genes passed. 80% I can tolerate, but I still don't like it.

You boys are going to think I’m lying and that’s ok. A boy that lives south of us about 30 minutes had a dog he called Jerry. The dog is dead and gone now but he was a big hard hunting steal mouth dog. The last kill season he hunted him the dog made 187 trees and he knocked out 153 single coon to him. Ty is as honest as they come. The type that if he said a rooster dips snuff if you pick up his wings your gonna find his can. I watched the dog make 35 trees in 6 nights of hunting in December and had 35 coon on the outside. He was hands down the best I’ve ever seen at having a coon.

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Originally posted by Richard Edinger
I had one of the hardest coonhunters that walked tell me one time if your dog has a coon every time he trees you're missing alot of coon. It took me alot of thinking to understand that statement.

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