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Posted by Traxx Addict on 02-12-2011 04:15 AM:

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Originally posted by bluff country
Traxx , reread the first post . What part of c o r n f r e e ( I typed real slow for you ) don't you understand ?

Maybe you should read again...I lumped corn based and "feather based" feeds together.

Post the ingredient list.

The "Hunters Blend" sold around has the exact same ingredient list as Sexton Bros and "best foods" brands.

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Posted by bluff country on 02-12-2011 04:20 AM:

Go to Facebook , type in Simons Choice Dog Food . Hunters Blend High Performance .

Posted by Traxx Addict on 02-12-2011 04:29 AM:

Hunters Blend
Ingredients: Poultry by-products meal, Meat meal, broken rice, whole wheat, whey, fish meal, Poultry fat (stabilized with Vitamin E) Beet pulp, salt, steamed bone meal, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Choline Chloride, Manganous Oxide, Copper sulfate, Vitamin A supplement, Vitamin D supplement, Vitamin E supplement, Biotin, Folic acid, Vitamin B12 supplement, and sodium selenite.

Diamond Extreme Athlete
Chicken meal, chicken, brewers rice, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), egg product, cracked pearled barley, powdered cellulose, beet pulp, flaxseed, natural chicken flavor, fish meal, potassium chloride, choline chloride, glucosamine hydrochloride, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate (vitamin B1), manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, chondroitin sulfate, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin (vitamin B2), vitamin D supplement, folic acid.

As I have said before..I work in the poultry industry and I know what we sell labeled as "poultry by products". It is feathers and diseased condemned parts, gangrenous lesions, and guts.

I wont feed it to my dogs....It MIGHT be a notch better than a corn based feed.[/b]

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Posted by JiM on 02-12-2011 05:17 AM:

I have one question. Considering that the majority of dogs in this country are spending their entire lives being fed nothing but corn based dogfood, how come we aren't seeing millions of dogs dieing early deaths and millions of kidney failures from these feeds?
I mean when Diamond killed a relatively miniscule percentage of the dogs out there with bad food we heard about that all over the place.

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Posted by Wingpatch on 02-12-2011 01:33 PM:

CORN

THERE AINT NOTHING EVER DIED FROM EATEN CORN

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Posted by RedMan on 02-12-2011 01:49 PM:

Traxx you said "Poultry meal is the scraps trimmed off of salvaged carcasses and guts. Guts and parts that contain Coccieliosis , Dermititus, and other infected cuts and abrasions that the USDA finds unacceptable for human consumption." Is this acceptable in dog food. Trying to take all that I have been reading and use it to my advantage for the betterment of my hounds and sometimes things either gets confusing for me or things seem to start to contradict themselves. Not looking into getting into a wizzing contest with anyone but if I want to provide the best for my dogs then I am wanting to gather all the facts I can to make it a win/win for me and my mutts. Thanks.

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Posted by Jammer2122 on 02-12-2011 02:26 PM:

FYI

The first ingredient in this dog food is chicken by-product meal… a dry rendered product of slaughterhouse waste. It’s made from what’s left of a slaughtered chicken after all the prime cuts have been removed.

In a nutshell, chicken by-products are those unsavory leftovers usually considered “unfit for human consumption”.

This stuff can contain almost anything… feet, beaks, undeveloped eggs… anything (that is) but skeletal muscle (real meat).

On the brighter side, by-product meals are meat concentrates and contain nearly 300% more protein than fresh chicken.

This is NOT your Diamond Extreme but all companies use it!!!

Diamond Premium Adult Formula
Dry Dog Food

Ingredients: Chicken by-product meal, whole grain ground corn, wheat flour, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), brewers rice, beet pulp, egg product, flaxseed, natural chicken flavor, fish meal, potassium chloride, salt, choline chloride, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, niacin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin, vitamin D supplement, folic acid

Posted by Jammer2122 on 02-12-2011 02:54 PM:

This is the Hunters blend from Everlast Manufacturing in MO. You may want to spend the money to have it tested. I sent a sample to a lab and was shocked by the total lack of VIT & MIN.

Posted by treemonster on 02-12-2011 03:53 PM:

Jammer 2122 can you tell us what was lacking in the dog food? I have fed this food and found that my dogs performance when hunted hard will suffer, they simply have less energy.

Posted by michwalker on 02-12-2011 04:17 PM:

Good dog food

For those who have a Costco around I highly recommend Kirkland brand. Here in Mich it is $23 for 40lbs out the door. There are a few choices get the ones with the higher protein. This is the best bang for the $ that I have found. Remember we can't expect the best from our buddies every night if we don't treat them the best that we can every day.

Posted by Traxx Addict on 02-13-2011 12:08 AM:

Re: FYI

quote:
Originally posted by Jammer2122
The first ingredient in this dog food is chicken by-product mealï¿½ a dry rendered product of slaughterhouse waste. Itï¿½s made from whatï¿½s left of a slaughtered chicken after all the prime cuts have been removed.

In a nutshell, chicken by-products are those unsavory leftovers usually considered ï¿½unfit for human consumptionï¿½.

This stuff can contain almost anythingï¿½ feet, beaks, undeveloped eggsï¿½ anything (that is) but skeletal muscle (real meat).

On the brighter side, by-product meals are meat concentrates and contain nearly 300% more protein than fresh chicken.

This is NOT your Diamond Extreme but all companies use it!!!

Diamond Premium Adult Formula
Dry Dog Food

Ingredients: Chicken by-product meal, whole grain ground corn, wheat flour, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), brewers rice, beet pulp, egg product, flaxseed, natural chicken flavor, fish meal, potassium chloride, salt, choline chloride, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, niacin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin, vitamin D supplement, folic acid

Diamond Extreme Athlete cannot even be compared or discussed with the other subpar, inferior feeds out there. Even those made made by Diamond themselves.

Spend an extra $4 and by a decent bag of feed. and save money in the long run.

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Posted by Traxx Addict on 02-13-2011 12:10 AM:

Re: CORN

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Originally posted by Wingpatch
THERE AINT NOTHING EVER DIED FROM EATEN CORN

Tell that to the thousands of dogs that died from corn based feed due to high levels of Aflotoxins ion the feed.

Are you a habitual liar, or do you just pretend to be one on the UKC forums.

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Posted by Traxx Addict on 02-13-2011 12:14 AM:

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Originally posted by JiM
I have one question. Considering that the majority of dogs in this country are spending their entire lives being fed nothing but corn based dogfood, how come we aren't seeing millions of dogs dieing early deaths and millions of kidney failures from these feeds?
I mean when Diamond killed a relatively miniscule percentage of the dogs out there with bad food we heard about that all over the place.

How many people who walk out into their kennels and find "Ol Pete" dead in their house ever have them autopsied??

What killed the dogs in the diamond feed fiasco was moldy corn processed into the feed and the Aflotoxins poisoning them.

Corn based feed stresses the kidneys and digestive systems of dogs. Your kidneys is the filtering system of your body. When it starts being stressed high levels of toxins are allowed to pass thru your bloodstream and major organs,. Over time it wears the dog down and leads to heart attacks, strokes, etc.

We have given you guys the facts and you refuse to accept them and want to rely on some cracker jack box education and old wives tales to rely on instead of SCIENTIFIC FACTS.

PATHETIC.

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Posted by JiM on 02-13-2011 12:33 AM:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Traxx Addict
[B
Corn based feed stresses the kidneys and digestive systems of dogs. Your kidneys is the filtering system of your body. When it starts being stressed high levels of toxins are allowed to pass thru your bloodstream and major organs,. Over time it wears the dog down and leads to heart attacks, strokes, etc.

All I want to know is how these millions of dogs nationwide continue to not only survive but thrive year after year to 10 or 15 years of age having spent their entire lives on corn based dogfood. You know it is true yet you keep telling us that corn will kill them. Your credibilty is going down the drain but I'm sure you don't care because you are a legend in your own mind when it comes to dog food.
You also seem to think that corn is the only thing that can mold which tells me how much you really know. Give me a week and I can show you a bag of moldy EA.

Posted by Gregory Kemp on 02-13-2011 01:37 AM:

traxx addict is right about corn based feeds. I too, work in the feed industry. There is not one dog feed out there that is perfect. traxx addict in Extreme Athlete you must be worried about fat being the fourth ingredient. It is a proven fact that if fat of any type is in the first four ingredients of any dog feed it can cause bloat in a dog. All, I am doing is pointing out that all feeds are not perfect. Just feed a good meat based (non by product, non corn, non soy, and non wheat) ingredient food. I myself feed the 4 health chicken and rice formula from tractor supply. The above reason is why I do not feed the diamond natural extreme athlete. The only reason I feed the 4 health over the diamond naturals chicken and rice is the 4 health has more k-cals per cup than the diamond naturals. 4 health is made by diamond. If you feed a corn free diet you do not have to worry about aflotoxins. But, corn will not kill your dog!!! I just choose to not feed it to my dogs.

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Posted by Traxx Addict on 02-13-2011 01:38 AM:

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Originally posted by JiM
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All I want to know is how these millions of dogs nationwide continue to not only survive but thrive year after year to 10 or 15 years of age having spent their entire lives on corn based dogfood. You know it is true yet you keep telling us that corn will kill them.

Jim.... Why do you continue to deny and reuse to accept sound scientifically proven canine facts??

Millions of people have tried cocaine and meth, but that doesnt mean it kills all of them.

As to why it doesnt kill all of them.......
Millions of people have tried cocaine and meth, but that doesnt mean it kills all of them. I guarantee they are worse for wear afterwards.
Why can some people drink alcohol like a fish with no side effects, and another get liver cancer?? I am sure some of it is genetic...as with ANYTHING else.

I guarantee you that is damages and stresses most of them and creates unnecessary wear and tear on a dog that can and should be avoided .

A DOG"S DIGESTIVE SYSTEM IS NOT DESIGNED TO BREAK DOWN AND CONVERT PROTEIN IN CORN. FORCING IT TO DO SO STRAINS THEIR KIDNEYS AND DIGESTIVE SYSTEMS, SOME TO THE POINT OF FAILURE. WHY TAKE THE RISK?? WHY DENY SOUND SCIENCE AND VETERINARIAN ADVICE??

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Originally posted by JiM Your credibilty is going down the drain but I'm sure you don't care because you are a legend in your own mind when it comes to dog food.

Not legend here....Just someone who as made their living studying, observing, recording, and formulating animal feed based on how their body breaks down, absorbs, and uses ingredients placed in them.

What are your credentials besides being a professional laptop cyber-coonhunter pissed off because you cant rationally, logically, and factually defend your insistence to feed inferior feed that stresses, damages,and could possibly kill your dog?

If you want data, I can bring you a truckload.... Will you pay the freight??

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
[QUOTE]You also seem to think that corn is the only thing that can mold which tells me how much you really know. Give me a week and I can show you a bag of moldy EA.

Come on Jim..We are talking about corn in general. Everyone knows moldy corn can and will kill a dog if it is in the feed and the Aflotoxin level is high enough. WHY TAKE THE CHANCE??

Can you find me any instance of something moldy in a bag of Diamond EA killing a dog??

Jim.... Why do you continue to deny and reuse to accept sound scientifically proven canine facts??

As for feeding dogs corn based feed...I will refrain because I understand how a dogs digestive system works.

I will also refrain from casting my dogs near a busy road.... They may not get ran over, but I wont take the risk.

Keep feeding your dog inferior feed that you know deep down is not the best or the healthiest for your dog. Keep spending "less"(you are actually spending more) thinking that extra $5 is staying in your pocket.

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Posted by Traxx Addict on 02-13-2011 01:54 AM:

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Originally posted by pbfloyd
This food doesn't contain corn anyhow.. I have personally seen dogs live up to 15 years old and were fed a corn based food their whole life.

And I have seen chain smoking alcoholics live to be 90 years old. It still doesn't diminish the fact that that ingesting those poisons into your body isnt healthy and can lead to numerous problems down the road.,..even premature death.

Your point??

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Posted by Traxx Addict on 02-13-2011 02:02 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Gregory Kemp
in Extreme Athlete you must be worried about fat being the fourth ingredient. It is a proven fact that if fat of any type is in the first four ingredients of any dog feed it can cause bloat in a dog.

"CAN" being the key word. Recent studies have found it to caused more by a dogs physical structure than their diet., Also.. Rationing the feed correctly, basically removes the risk altogether.

quote:
Originally posted by Gregory Kemp
But, corn will not kill your dog!!!

Not 100% true.......While corn may not be the actual reason the dog finally kills over, the repetitive and stressful breaking down and digestion of a corn based feed WILL cause wear and tear and sometimes irreversible damage to the dog in question leading to it's premature death.

Why take the risk when it is proven that a non corn based feed takes less to keep the dog fit and healthy, and is actually cheaper in the long run??

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Posted by Gregory Kemp on 02-13-2011 02:17 AM:

I agree traxx. But, I will weigh my odds on feeding a feed that has fat at least the fifth ingredient. If you look at corn that way, you are correct! I just know not to feed a corn based dog food! Again, you are correct about the corn based foods. But, the 4 health and naturals are the BEST FOODS ON THE MARKET. THE REASON DIAMOND NATURALS AND 4 HEALTH FOODS ARE AFFORDABLE IS BECAUSE THEY DO NOT ADVERTISE, THUS KEEPING COST LOW TO THE CONSUMER.
LATER TRAXX! KEEP TRYING TO EDUCATE 'EM!!!!

Posted by johnny reb on 02-13-2011 04:25 AM:

Why cant people understand dogs are carnivores (Meat eaters) and people say they wont feed diamond because of the bad feed a few years ago EVERY dog food compny have had problems with bad feed and guess what most of the problems were from moldy corn just another reason too feed a meat based feed with no corn and as little junk fillers as possible and no I dont feed diamond just stating facts

Posted by windyhillscandy on 02-13-2011 04:30 AM:

HUNTERS BLEND

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Shane i have fed that hunters blend a few years ago ,and didn't see a problem with it at all .
Was really fresh and my 1/4 ton i bought every couple months ,kept really good .
different dogs need different diets .
might work well for one dog ,but may just run right through another,i was in with some coyote hunters from Ottumwa ,
and we were getting it delivered to Ottumwa fresh that afternoon,the day it was made.Like i said it kept really well just down in my basement.
I had real good luck with it ,on all but one male that i just hunted the he!! out of every night ,and it couldn"t keep up with him .,Did notice more energy out of my females on this and then always looked good while i was feeding it .

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Posted by John D on 02-13-2011 02:18 PM:

Corn a source of protein? Thats misleading. Corn is an excellent source of carbohydrates. Its not put in dog food, pig food, or cattle food because of its protein content.

Soy, meat, bone, chicken are your sources of protein.

Corn is nondigestible? Thats partly true. Corn kernels are hard to digest, thats why you may see whole kernels in stool. Thats also why its ground to a fine meal to the point where it becomes HIGHLY digestible.

Corn is like any ingredient. It can go bad, be moldy, and so on. Grain handlers REGULARLY take moldy corn and add good corn to it to get it under the manufacturer's mold limit so they can sell it. So, its not so much the formula thats the fault, its the manufacturer behind it.

A reputable manufacturer producing a good formula equals a good dog feed.

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Posted by Hawk32 on 04-28-2011 07:57 PM:

BTT

The Hunters Blend I saw last night was a 26-18 and has meat and bone meal listed first and ground yellow corn listed second. Is this a different blend or did they change. It was a very small pellet. Gonna give it a try on a couple dogs and see how it works. Currently feeding Pazazz and have been very happy with it so it will be hard to change to anything.

I was also told this Hunters Blend was pretty much the same as Black Gold.

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Posted by Hawk32 on 04-29-2011 05:49 PM:

btt

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It's good to see Traxx got banned.

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