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Rules question
Dog A, B, C, and D are all struck in that order. Dogs A, B, & C are treed in that order. Cast goes to tree, sees coon and pluses the points. Dog D comes into tree, what happens with Dog D’s 25 points?
Now say Dog D doesn’t come into the tree while the cast is still there, but goes into the tree and starts treeing after the cast has scored the tree and has walked away to put the strike time on Dog D before they can recast. What does dog D get done with his 25 strike points?
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John Smith
Ohio Valley Bluetick Kennel
How could they know dog D came into tree if they are no longer at the tree?
My thinking is that if dog D comes into that tree before the other dogs are recast, it should be handled and strike points score according to whether a coon was seen or not.
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quote:
Originally posted by JiM
How could they know dog D came into tree if they are no longer at the tree?
My thinking is that if dog D comes into that tree before the other dogs are recast, it should be handled and strike points score according to whether a coon was seen or not.
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John Smith
Ohio Valley Bluetick Kennel
If the dog comes in after tree is scored. it should t matter if you're still at the tree or have left the tree. That tree can't be scored again
If the dog comes in after tree is scored. it should t matter if you're still at the tree or have left the tree. That tree can't be scored again
quote:
Originally posted by johnny reb
If the dog comes in after tree is scored. it should t matter if you're still at the tree or have left the tree. That tree can't be scored again
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John Smith
Ohio Valley Bluetick Kennel
I think as long as dogs have not been recast, any dog handled at that tree gets scored under rule 5-b.
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quote:once shining time expires tree is scored as previosly scored tree if d comes in or trees on it .recasting has no bearing on dog d s strike points .
Originally posted by JiM
I think as long as dogs have not been recast, any dog handled at that tree gets scored under rule 5-b.
I would say after the tree is scored it's a previously scored tree. Common sense rules.
Until the dogs are recast they are still considered treed. If dog D comes in to that tree before the treed dogs are recast it will be scored coming into a closed tree.
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Gonna give you all something to think on. What if it is a possum and the 8 is up?
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quote:
Originally posted by Bill(Chew)
Until the dogs are recast they are still considered treed. If dog D comes in to that tree before the treed dogs are recast it will be scored coming into a closed tree.
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quote:
Originally posted by thomasg
once shining time expires tree is scored as previosly scored tree if d comes in or trees on it .recasting has no bearing on dog d s strike points .
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quote:
Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
Gonna give you all something to think on. What if it is a possum and the 8 is up?
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quote:
Originally posted by joey
Its handled different if its off game, no idea why but it is.
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quote:
Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
If it is within the 8 it would fall under UKC mysterious saved by the judge scenario. If before cast arrives scratched if NITECH or GRNITECH cast. But what about after the 8.
Btw IMO if the 8 is up on the tree even if dogs are not gone from tree (dogs would be considered leashed until recast) it is a previous scored tree or anytime before the 8 when cast is satisfied, judge judge has stopped time and determined the scoring of the tree it would then become a previous scored tree even if cast has not recut dogs.
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Hummm
Wonder if policy has changed since the advisor 2nd edition was printed other than 8 minutes on shine time--page 51?
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Re: Hummm
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Originally posted by HERSHSHUNTIN
Wonder if policy has changed since the advisor 2nd edition was printed other than 8 minutes on shine time--page 51?
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Re: Hummm
quote:
Originally posted by HERSHSHUNTIN
Wonder if policy has changed since the advisor 2nd edition was printed other than 8 minutes on shine time--page 51?
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John Smith
Ohio Valley Bluetick Kennel
What does dogs being on a leash have to do with rather tree is considered scored. If a tree is plused it’s a scored tree in my opinion. So if a dog comes in it falls under rule H of a previously scored tree.
You may stand there 7 minutes waiting on the dog to bark so the other 3 can recast and then it decides to come in. So let’s say 7 minutes of shine time was used before coon was seen and plused then 7 minutes of standing and waiting on dog D to strike. That’s 14 minutes a tree is open to take minus on strike. Makes no sense to me.
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recast
Okay I think once the tree is scored it's done, but what if you guys are right and not until they are recast. a couple of ?s. so 3 dogs tree and are scored 4 dog is on the paper with strike points you walk away from scored tree listen for dog put 8 on dog next time he barks you can tell he is treed on the scored tree, but handler knows this so he doesn't tree, do you recut your dogs or not? what happens to his strike points? next ? same thing 3 nite champs treed done nothing seen, you walk away last dog 7 min. later opens treed on same tree now a possum is up that same tree what the heck do you do? one last ? 3 dogs done you leave last dog trees no coon the first time but coon now?
Rules
Dogs tree on tree, shine times expires, no coon seen. Walking away from tree hunters look back, coon looking right at them. Rules rule!
Re: recast
According to what you all are saying is that a tree is not considered a "previous scored tree" until the dogs or dog that was treeing on it are turned loose. So if you are now wondering around waiting on a dog with the 8 running to open or in the case where you can lead until you are comfortable to turn loose your tree is not previously scored even though you are now no longer anywhere near it. UKC if this is the case you need a different clarification because this makes less since than being saved by the judge on a possum thing lol.
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Re: Rules
quote:
Originally posted by swamp1
Dogs tree on tree, shine times expires, no coon seen. Walking away from tree hunters look back, coon looking right at them. Rules rule!
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Seneca , MO
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Re: Re: Hummm
quote:
Originally posted by ov_blues
What does it say?
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hershtwo@yahoo.com
Life member NRA
Current dogs
GR CH NT CH RED MIGHTY 90-Bo/Sierra
NT.CH.GR CH BEYOND BILLY HTX --Billy the Kid/ Amber
GR CH 1ST & 2ND place wins 90/4 LIFE GUN-HTX==-Willy BOY/Bigtime Britt
Dogs I have owned
Nt ch Gr ch HERSHS HUNTIN RED IKE
NT CH CH HERSHS HUNTIN BUDDY
GR NT CH MILLERS DIRTY RED
NT CH CH LYNN'S CREEK JULIE
GR CH HERSHS HUNTIN RED KATE
CH NITE CH AMBRAW RIVER TIMBER ROCK
NT CH HERSHS HUNTIN RED CLEM
NT CH ROCKY TOP CHERRY
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