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Posted by Clif Owen on 10-17-2019 01:00 AM:

Oh, another thing...Once several years ago, an old man was telling us that you couldn't be too tough on a dog that time of the year(it was spring at the time). He claimed the coons and possums got pollen on them and the dog couldn't tell them apart. I just looked at my friend and said "Now we know what Drummer has been doing lately".


Posted by Reuben on 10-17-2019 01:02 AM:

I heard possum taste like chicken...😳🤥

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Posted by TarheelBLue on 10-17-2019 03:02 AM:

Possums

Not sure how a possum smells compared to a coon. But I do know what my daddy told me about eating them. He said they had a big old wooden barrel behind the barn and when they caught a possum they'd put the possum in the barrel and feed it cow feed for a couple of weeks and fatten him up. Then...they'd eat it and he said it was good. They never ate coon because there were no coon back then. They were proud of their dogs treeing possums. Folks around here say my love for coonhunting comes from my family roots, all my folks were known as poor dirt farmers and possum hunters!!

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 10-17-2019 03:36 AM:

My grandma would put them in a cage and feed them for a couple of days to "clean them out". She said that you had to do that because they were scavengers and ate rotten stuff.


Posted by Reuben on 10-17-2019 05:50 AM:

Where I grew up we had many possums and I was going to make money selling the hides...them suckers smell nasty and it is hard to wash the smell off your hands...the meat is a very pretty colored light colored meat...looks like armadillo meat...dillo does taste really good on the pit or fried like fried chicken...

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Posted by Dave Richards on 10-17-2019 05:55 AM:

Mr. Lambert

Some of these mountain folks may have been poor and ate what they could catch and kill off the land, but they had a lot if pride. They did not want handouts or help from the government back in the day. Welfare was not something they depended on or wanted, pride meant something to most of them. Today, well let's just say that welfare has stripped a lot of pride from a lot of folks. Seems like they accept it willingly and for as long as we will continue to dish it out. Worst thing that ever happened to poor people, they just don't realize it, is the Welfare system. Take a man's pride away from him and you have robbed him of something that can never be returned or replaced. The shame was not being poor, it was letting your dignity and pride be taken away and relying on welfare. Dave

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Posted by novicane65 on 10-17-2019 01:42 PM:

Re: Mr. Lambert

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dave Richards
Some of these mountain folks may have been poor and ate what they could catch and kill off the land, but they had a lot if pride. They did not want handouts or help from the government back in the day. Welfare was not something they depended on or wanted, pride meant something to most of them. Today, well let's just say that welfare has stripped a lot of pride from a lot of folks. Seems like they accept it willingly and for as long as we will continue to dish it out. Worst thing that ever happened to poor people, they just don't realize it, is the Welfare system. Take a man's pride away from him and you have robbed him of something that can never be returned or replaced. The shame was not being poor, it was letting your dignity and pride be taken away and relying on welfare. Dave [/QTE]



I won't say that there's no pride today but it seems to not be taught like it was. Just like a man's word used to mean something and it still does to some but nothing to others. I agree with people not wanting hand outs when times were tough. I still know a few that won't ask or take any help if offered but not many. Me personally, I would rather struggle and work 4x as hard to do a job than ask for help.

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Posted by shadinc on 10-17-2019 03:51 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Clif Owen
That's not limited to up north. I saw a commercial fisherman pull up to a store and folks would buy those buffalo and throw them right in the trunk to carry home. No idea how they got the smell out of the car.
The fish might have improved the smell of the car.

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Posted by Dave Richards on 10-17-2019 07:36 PM:

Eric DePue

You are my kind of man, I still value my word just as my father and grandfather's did. I don't mind helping others, in fact we are supposed to help each other in times of need. What I am against is fully supporting folks who make no real effort to help themselves. Welfare should be a temporary means to help someone for a short time until THEY can get on their feet. Welfare has turned into fulltime support for those unwilling to help themselves and now we have several generations of some families that survive solely on welfare. Who thinks that this is acceptable? Government politicians who want the vote and don't have the guts to put an end to this nonsense. Chinese proverb says give a man a fish and you have fed him for a day, teach him how to fish and you have fed him for a lifetime. Dave

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Posted by CHEWBACH on 10-18-2019 01:02 AM:

before I hit the hills ! say one thing !! you all were born with a silver spoon in your mouth sounds like to me! lol that dang welfare thing has been around for 60 plus yrs prob more than that. that's what those poor hill people lived on [back when]

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Posted by Reuben on 10-18-2019 01:27 AM:

I talked with the old guys back in the early 1970s that lived through the depression and this is one thing I do remember very well what one friend said to me...he said going to school barefooted with old patched up clothing and with a boiled egg or potato for lunch wasn’t embarrassing at all because almost all kids were equal in poverty during those times...it was tough if you are one of the few in poverty in a well to do school...

I like that song by Alabama...Song of the South where they Sind that part...

Someone told us that Wall Street failed...but we were so poor that we couldn’t tell...

That right there I knew very well...but hard work and striving to be the go to man pays off...

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Posted by Dave Richards on 10-18-2019 07:54 AM:

Carson

No silver spoon in my mouth, just a good raising by parents that taught me the value of earning what you get in life, no welfare in my families. Dad always said he would rather push a wheel barrow and own it, than drive a Caddy and owe for it. We did not grow up poor, but I knew a lot of folks that did and they were not on welfare. I have hunted all over these mountains in some pretty remote areas and the one thing I always admired about our mountain folks were their sense of pride. It's plain unthinkable to me that 3 generations of the same family can grow up living off welfare and that any system would tolerate such behavior. Help is something and that crap is completely different. Google search the amount of welfare of all types our government spends each year and tell me how successful welfare has been. They pay for them to go to school only to have them not work because they would lose their government benefits. Welfare has done more harm than benefit to the poor people of this country. Drive by a housing project and see how many able bodied men you see loading around doing absolutely nothing, we are supporting a class of people that now thinks it's their right to live off the goverment. Politicians prey on this belief and make no effort to stop this nonsense, afraid they won't get reelected. Our goverment is bankrupt, just like several states and many cities, our national debt is overwhelming and getting worse every year. We should be operating on a balanced budget, not going deeper in debt every year. Dave

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Posted by Reuben on 10-18-2019 10:33 AM:

Re: Carson

quote:
Originally posted by Dave Richards
No silver spoon in my mouth, just a good raising by parents that taught me the value of earning what you get in life, no welfare in my families. Dad always said he would rather push a wheel barrow and own it, than drive a Caddy and owe for it. We did not grow up poor, but I knew a lot of folks that did and they were not on welfare. I have hunted all over these mountains in some pretty remote areas and the one thing I always admired about our mountain folks were their sense of pride. It's plain unthinkable to me that 3 generations of the same family can grow up living off welfare and that any system would tolerate such behavior. Help is something and that crap is completely different. Google search the amount of welfare of all types our government spends each year and tell me how successful welfare has been. They pay for them to go to school only to have them not work because they would lose their government benefits. Welfare has done more harm than benefit to the poor people of this country. Drive by a housing project and see how many able bodied men you see loading around doing absolutely nothing, we are supporting a class of people that now thinks it's their right to live off the goverment. Politicians prey on this belief and make no effort to stop this nonsense, afraid they won't get reelected. Our goverment is bankrupt, just like several states and many cities, our national debt is overwhelming and getting worse every year. We should be operating on a balanced budget, not going deeper in debt every year. Dave


I totally agree...

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Posted by yadkintar on 10-18-2019 11:49 AM:

We was all poor everybody I knew was poor but we worked hard every day. That government hand out commodities Often made the difference if we ate or not. Buuuuuuuuut that one gallon can of hominey when you run out of everything else was better than nothing but next to it lol. I hate hominey!!!


Green cans with black letters no Libby’s or del monte or green giant either lol. And whole chicken in a can lol.


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Posted by KEVIN MOSES on 10-18-2019 12:37 PM:

I work with a guy that was raised in a car when he was a kid a big part of his life. Never had any government help when growing up. Now he is educated. highly successful, very financially stable and makes good money. He could have easily chosen the "victim" role but didn't.

My mom, uncles and aunts were raised in a log cabin in a holler without indoor plumbing till almost a teenager. My mom, aunts and uncles turned out to be successful people. Once again, no victims.

My grandpa told a story about a man back in the old days around Monroe County Tennessee that was too lazy to work. It was cold winter and his wife and kids didn't have wood for woodstove. A bunch of local guys got together and went to his house, dragged his lazy butt out of bed and beat the crap out of him. They told him everytime they went by his house and that woodshed was out of wood they were going to beat the crap out of him over and over. Needless to say the woodshed stayed full from then on. People policed themselves back then.

**And yeah they ate several possums**

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Posted by CHEWBACH on 10-18-2019 03:06 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
We was all poor everybody I knew was poor but we worked hard every day. That government hand out commodities Often made the difference if we ate or not. Buuuuuuuuut that one gallon can of hominey when you run out of everything else was better than nothing but next to it lol. I hate hominey!!!


Green cans with black letters no Libby’s or del monte or green giant either lol. And whole chicken in a can lol.


Tar

your right tar ! Dammm cant believe I just said that. Butt for those that had all the food to eat and didn't know what it was like to go to school hungry ! All you do is go by what people say it was like. some of us lived it and we know what it was like. OOOdid I say silver spoon!! lol

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Posted by Reuben on 10-18-2019 03:09 PM:

My wife is in hospital for a procedure and she will be better soon...

The night RN is the best of all that have taken care of my wife...this morning he was saying goodbye to my wife and me because we will be gone before he comes back to work...he named my wife Queen Elizabeth on account her name is Liz...he was always upbeat and very nice to both of us...he said he treated all patients special because it was a part of his job...

Before he left out I asked him if he was born in another country because of his accent...he said was born in West Africa...I asked him if it was hard growing up there...he said it is the same anywhere you go...the only difference is that here there is way more opportunities...

He has been in the good Ole USA for 18 years now and he is a registered nurse...said he received his refrigeration certificate and will get his plumbing certification sometime in the near future...

Said right now his three kids have his head spinning because all three are in college...I had to shake his hand and welcomed him aboard the good Ole USA...

I think that if he had the drive to get here from so far away he has the drive to succeed...

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Posted by novicane65 on 10-18-2019 05:18 PM:

Re: Eric DePue

quote:
Originally posted by Dave Richards
You are my kind of man, I still value my word just as my father and grandfather's did. I don't mind helping others, in fact we are supposed to help each other in times of need. What I am against is fully supporting folks who make no real effort to help themselves. Welfare should be a temporary means to help someone for a short time until THEY can get on their feet. Welfare has turned into fulltime support for those unwilling to help themselves and now we have several generations of some families that survive solely on welfare. Who thinks that this is acceptable? Government politicians who want the vote and don't have the guts to put an end to this nonsense. Chinese proverb says give a man a fish and you have fed him for a day, teach him how to fish and you have fed him for a lifetime. Dave



When the system was setup originally in the depression it wasn't supposed to be a long term program and still shouldn't be. It should be setup just like unemployment. You get _____ amount for assistance a week for 26 weeks or until you have a job. Now the profession that seems to be need help and most are on it is a shame. That profession is Farmers. They sell all products at whole sale and pay shipping both ways. Hopefully they get some raises soon.
I'm a welder by profession, and when the local farmers around here call me I don't charge the same rate as I would as other people or companies. I can't justify charging them a rate that makes them financially unstable. Because most of them can weld and when they call me its bad messed up enough that they can't fix it. Now I know several other guys that have said it doesn't bother them to charge a flat rate across the board, and doesn't matter who the customer is. I have argued until I'm blue in the face with these guys about it. And it honestly gets me more work. Because the farmers tell others about my work, not my rate.
I didn't grow up poor, I grew up middle class. My Dad grew up poor. And in the past 3 months I was reminded of it daily. When you go through a loved ones personal toolbox and storage containers after they pass on and you find countless items that cost pennies or nickels that they had saved for repurposing because that's how he was raised. I don't know too many that pull nails and screws to re-use them. Or go to the local dump to remove anything that he could re-use or repurpose. I have caught myself in the past doing similar things but not to the extent he did.

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Posted by Dave Richards on 10-18-2019 10:13 PM:

Helping others

I totally support helping others in time of need. I fully believe in the commodity program that provides food to those in need. What I am against is the Welfare system that provides full support to several generations of the same family. No one should support a system that is so flawed that 3 generations can not seem to find a way to support themselves. Welfare should be short term not life time, how can anyone favor a system that is so flawed. We have lots of elderly folks that need help but do not qualify for benefits, while we support young unmarried women that choose to have kids in order to get benefits, supporting able bodied young men who live off of the baby moms benefits. Now that's what should have everyone mad, our welfare system needs to be overhauled, this nonsense needs to stop. Dave

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Posted by novicane65 on 10-18-2019 10:49 PM:

Re: Helping others

quote:
Originally posted by Dave Richards
I totally support helping others in time of need. I fully believe in the commodity program that provides food to those in need. What I am against is the Welfare system that provides full support to several generations of the same family. No one should support a system that is so flawed that 3 generations can not seem to find a way to support themselves. Welfare should be short term not life time, how can anyone favor a system that is so flawed. We have lots of elderly folks that need help but do not qualify for benefits, while we support young unmarried women that choose to have kids in order to get benefits, supporting able bodied young men who live off of the baby moms benefits. Now that's what should have everyone mad, our welfare system needs to be overhauled, this nonsense needs to stop. Dave



I agree with what you're saying. There's no reason for able bodied people not just men to be getting assistance for more than a short time period. When I was 24 I was recently divorced with a 2 year old son. I made too much for assistance but couldn't afford to eat myself. So I got 2 jobs.

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Posted by Dave Richards on 10-18-2019 11:38 PM:

Eric

Your situation is one of many where temporary help would be justified. Sadly, the system is geared towards those who don't want to work, they choose to remain QUALIFIED for all of the benefits they can get. Our elderly folks on a fixed income that own their homes don't qualify for any help or little help, while these young people who don't own anything but choose to have a bunch of kids out of wedlock qualify for every benefit available and let the baby daddy live off their benefits. We are definitely supporting a messed up system. I am in favor of short term help, but not this generation supported system we have at the present. Dave

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Posted by Reuben on 10-19-2019 10:17 AM:

Re: Eric

quote:
Originally posted by Dave Richards
Your situation is one of many where temporary help would be justified. Sadly, the system is geared towards those who don't want to work, they choose to remain QUALIFIED for all of the benefits they can get. Our elderly folks on a fixed income that own their homes don't qualify for any help or little help, while these young people who don't own anything but choose to have a bunch of kids out of wedlock qualify for every benefit available and let the baby daddy live off their benefits. We are definitely supporting a messed up system. I am in favor of short term help, but not this generation supported system we have at the present. Dave


No doubt the system is broken...we need to somehow penalize the parent for having too many kids and somehow protecting the kids at the same time that are already born into the system and teaching them that good work ethics is better than living in the welfare system...

What is really jacked up is like you said about qualifying for assistance...the person who never has saved will qualify for assistance but the person who has lived wisely who owns a home will not qualify for help...my uncle had to sign his house over to the government before he could get help...he can live in it until he dies...he was hoping to leave it to his children...

Right now there are many other issues facing our nation that is affecting how we live and things are getting rather lopsided...

What is crazy is the price of healthcare...medical insurance is skyrocketing, pharmaceuticals can’t cure anything and then we have co-pays on top of all that...

It is a double edge sword...if we were to find a cure for all major diseases our health care costs should drop drastically but then at least 25 percent or more of the work force would be out of work...there are many businesses tied to healthcare...

Healthcare will never go away but it shouldn’t take such a big piece of the pie...

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Posted by novicane65 on 10-19-2019 01:20 PM:

Re: Re: Eric

quote:
Originally posted by Reuben
No doubt the system is broken...we need to somehow penalize the parent for having too many kids and somehow protecting the kids at the same time that are already born into the system and teaching them that good work ethics is better than living in the welfare system...

What is really jacked up is like you said about qualifying for assistance...the person who never has saved will qualify for assistance but the person who has lived wisely who owns a home will not qualify for help...my uncle had to sign his house over to the government before he could get help...he can live in it until he dies...he was hoping to leave it to his children...

Right now there are many other issues facing our nation that is affecting how we live and things are getting rather lopsided...

What is crazy is the price of healthcare...medical insurance is skyrocketing, pharmaceuticals can’t cure anything and then we have co-pays on top of all that...

It is a double edge sword...if we were to find a cure for all major diseases our health care costs should drop drastically but then at least 25 percent or more of the work force would be out of work...there are many businesses tied to healthcare...

Healthcare will never go away but it shouldn’t take such a big piece of the pie...



Funny you mentioned healthcare. I recently had back surgury. And the Doctors exact words to me about the cost is it was cheaper for all healthcare before Obama care came about whether you had insurance or not. And the reason I had to get a second job in my mid 20's was because of insurance. I didn't make enough off of 1 job that I had to pay my bills and have health insurance at the time.

But back to opossums ..... I don't know what they taste like and I imagine I won't find out any time soon. But I am thinking of trying porcupine. We have an abundance of those devil spawns here.

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Posted by Reuben on 10-19-2019 03:54 PM:

When I retired from the big company in 2006 my insurance payment was about 320 a month for my wife and myself...after Obamacare kicked in my monthly premium is now 1280 a month...still have deductibles, copays and pharmaceuticals copays...

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Posted by CWard on 10-20-2019 03:59 AM:

People nowadays Want the Check but don’t want the Work!
If the Liberals get their way we all will be in trouble.


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