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Posted by nextcoonhunters on 02-23-2020 04:57 PM:

Rules question

Okay got a good one for ya, plus it happened. CH Dogs are cut loose and struck in. Nothing that happened before matters. A struck in dog comes back in. Packing a recently, still warm and bleeding, with a cluck or two left in it, dead chicken. Scratched or not under champion rules?


Posted by Redneck Mafia on 02-23-2020 05:18 PM:

Tricky one is a chicken a bird? Is a chicken livestock?
Rules say a bird is not considered off game but rules say your scratched for molesting live stock.

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Posted by Dave Richards on 02-23-2020 06:04 PM:

Jen Cummings

A chicken is a bird, livestock are animals. Lol. Dave

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Posted by Joseph L. on 02-23-2020 06:10 PM:

Any animal that has been domesticated and raised for food consumption is considered livestock

Joe levan


Posted by yadkintar on 02-23-2020 06:17 PM:

Ok what category would you put a house cat in ?


Same category of treeing a peekapoo ?



Tar


Posted by Richard Lambert on 02-23-2020 06:22 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Joseph L.
Any animal that has been domesticated and raised for food consumption is considered livestock

Joe levan


Considered livestock by whom? No cattle rancher would call a chicken "livestock".
Was the chicken domesticated or a game chicken?


Posted by Joseph L. on 02-23-2020 07:05 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
Ok what category would you put a house cat in ?


Same category of treeing a peekapoo ?



Tar



I guess they could be considered livestock if the family who was raising them owned a Chinese restaurant 👍

Joe levan


Posted by delta nightlife on 02-23-2020 07:11 PM:

Scratch the dog and build a fire and cook the chicken lol

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Posted by yadkintar on 02-23-2020 09:00 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Considered livestock by whom? No cattle rancher would call a chicken "livestock".
Was the chicken domesticated or a game chicken?




They is a such thing as a chicken ranch.


Tar


Posted by Preacher Tom on 02-23-2020 09:24 PM:

If my dog comes in with a still warm chicken you can scratch him cause I'm gonna give him a whipping.

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Posted by Dave Richards on 02-23-2020 09:38 PM:

Livestock

Poultry and fish are NOT considered livestock under any definition. Dave

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Posted by Joseph L. on 02-23-2020 09:43 PM:

Re: Livestock

quote:
Originally posted by Dave Richards
Poultry and fish are NOT considered livestock under any definition. Dave


Most all towns in my area (ohio) lump chickens into the livestock category not allowing them in towns.

Joe levan


Posted by Preacher Tom on 02-23-2020 10:20 PM:

My point was you shouldn't need a rule too scratch a chicken killing dog. Common sense says W/d him and correct him.

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Posted by Clovis A Nailor on 02-23-2020 10:27 PM:

Is that the same chicken ranch Dolly Parton ran?


Posted by Dave Richards on 02-23-2020 10:28 PM:

Tom Wood

I whole heartily agree with you, it's the concept of chickens being livestock that is INCORRECT. Chickens, ducks, geese, etc are poultry, they are not animals. Dave

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Posted by Redneck Mafia on 02-24-2020 12:27 AM:

Livestock_is commonly_defined_as domesticated animals raised in an agricultural setting to produce labor and commodities such as meat, eggs, milk, fur, leather, and wool. ... Horses are considered_livestock_in the United States. (Source Wikipedia)

Farm animals regarded as an asset. (Oxford online dictionary)

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Seneca , MO
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Posted by Stan Ferrell on 02-24-2020 12:43 AM:

If I am judging, Dog gets scratched and you get a new nickname.


Posted by yadkintar on 02-24-2020 01:01 AM:

Anything other than a raccoon is exzactly that from a sparrow to a bull elephant. And should come with consequences.


Just my opinion.


Tar


Posted by shadinc on 02-24-2020 01:41 AM:

If it's my dog, it's a bird. Anybody else's dog, it's livestock.

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Posted by 2ol2hunt on 02-24-2020 01:57 AM:

If it's my dog it's time for correction!! I'm with you Tom.


Posted by Clif Owen on 02-24-2020 04:14 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
Livestock_is commonly_defined_as domesticated animals raised in an agricultural setting to produce labor and commodities such as meat, eggs, milk, fur, leather, and wool. ... Horses are considered_livestock_in the United States. (Source Wikipedia)

Farm animals regarded as an asset. (Oxford online dictionary)



By the first definition, it's livestock (eggs). Scratch him/her. Personally, if it was mine; would not have been a question.


Posted by Redneck Mafia on 02-24-2020 04:16 AM:

A short story with a question at the end...
A few years ago Dalton bought 100+ chickens and all was well for quite awhile. He built a coop out of an old shed on his property with nesting boxes and a fenced chicken pen off of it. The chicken pen was opened some days to let them free range in the yard to eat bugs and a keep any ticks in check in the evening they would go into the coop. All of a sudden the chickens started going into the woods behind his house to roost at night and basically his domestic chickens became wild. The survivors from the flock have eventually made their way onto a neighbor's property and roost in a barn.
So... if a dog trees on a tree that happens to also have a chicken in it is it now just a bird? If it was a turkey or other bird we know per the rules you score the tree as if it were not there, plus for coon, minus for slick and circle for a tree with a place of refuge.

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Cheyenne & Jennifer Cummings
Seneca , MO
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"TEAM MAFIA"
*NATIONAL GRNITECH GRCH GRNITECH(5) HALL OF FAME PKC PLATIUM CH REDNECK BACKWOODS SHACK
2014 OK STATE CH, 2015 MO PKC LEADER, 2016 PKC NATIONALS SEMIFINALIST, 2016 UKC TOP 20, 2O17 UKC WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP 3RD PLACE, 2018 PKC SENIOR SHOWDOWN TRUCK HUNT FINAL 4, 2018 MO PKC STATE CHAMPION, 2019 AUTUMN OAKS NATIONAL GRNITE CH, 2019 PKC WORLD CH SEMIFINALIST. 2021 PKC SENIOR SHOWDOWN TRUCK HUNT FINAL 4.
*PKC WORLD CHAMPION PLATNIUM CHAMPION GRNITECH SHACK'S HEATHER ISLAND SOUTHERN STOGIE
2021 OKLAHOMA STATE CHAMPION, 2022 PKC WORLD CHAMPION, 2022 MO PKC STATE LEADER PRO SPORT TRUCK WINNER

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Posted by Donnie Stevens on 02-24-2020 05:00 AM:

Oh my goodness

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Posted by Mark V. on 02-24-2020 11:12 AM:

dual purpose hound is he fore sale ?
I would scratch him!


Posted by Richard Lambert on 02-24-2020 01:53 PM:

What if your dog kills a turkey and brings it to you?


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