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quote:I for one know of 1 that was not ill. Grand Nite Yadkin River Chubbs. He won the Grand American a few years ago. I hunted with him a good bit and I NEVER saw him even pay attention to another dog. So they were not ALL ill !!!
Originally posted by truebluefordman
they all where ILL. yes 99% where some of the best tree dogs alive but all would it a dog up right now... that was a true trait of nailer...
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Originally posted by toe cutter
JIM,--could be they were trained by an idiot , but slick treeing is a bred in fault.it is caused by weak tracking ability.the track is the math the tree is the answer ,if they can't do the math they will never get the answer right. i would say who ever made the cross that produced the slick treeing dogs was the idiot. any time you have a stud bred as much as nailor,sackett jr or some of the other dogs that were bred so much, your gonna have them all over the board. and its because the breeder did not know how to cross dogs for their traits. most were crossed to make money on what ever was the top going stud dog at the time, not to produce balanced dogs.nailor was a overpowering tree dog, bred to a female that was all tree dog and weak on the track could and did produced slick treeing idiots, you can not train a dog to be a good track dog,it has to be bred into them.there is no stud dog that will dominate the traits of any and every female he is bred to.slap happy breeding to make money is what produced so many culls from all stud dogs.when you see a all grand litter,do you take into consideration that the cross was made to produce all grands on the papers and no thought to traits and if the cross will produce a balanced dog?.just because two i had were slick treeing idiots does not mean they all were. just like because all the ones you hunted with were not, does not mean that NONE were.any idiot can pay the stud fee and breed his female, it takes some one with some breeding knowledge to breed the right female to the right stud to produce a balanced litter of coondogs ...................TC
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Re: nailor
quote:since pups show more of their grand parents traits then their parents (proven fact) arent you cutting sackett jr and tar rattler kind of short on the credit for your dogs abilty. there is more then a fair share of genes in your dog that are not nailors alone.yadkin tar rattler was 10 years old before he was bred all that much,he was a tree dog, frank giddins favored track dogs, people tend to forget sackett jrs tracking ability,i would say your dog is accurate because of sackett jr and his trait of being a top track dog.sackett jr had the coon on 99% of the trees he treed on. he was bred to so many females, you will find his pups all over the board, just like any highly bred stud dog. the tree dog came from rattler. nailor was just a funnel to get it there. if you look at enough pups out of any highly bred dog you will see a common trait that each put in their pups.--nailor-tree dogs,,,logans wild clover--tight mouthed tree dogs,,finley river dan --open trailing -track dogs,,lipper-- loose mouthed track dogs..stylish hayes jr--balanced on track and tree..each produced their fair share of decent dogs crossed with the right female,crossed with the wrong female each produced their fair share of idiots.......................TC
Originally posted by crittergetter12
here is my male directly out of nailor great track dog and has the coon 90 to 95 % of the time best dog i ever followed
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Re: Re: nailor
quote:I read an article on Jr were Frank said he slick treed very often when he was a young dog, he said he just kept hunting him and he got out of it.
Originally posted by toe cutter
since pups show more of their grand parents traits then their parents (proven fact) arent you cutting sackett jr and tar rattler kind of short on the credit for your dogs abilty. there is more then a fair share of genes in your dog that are not nailors alone.yadkin tar rattler was 10 years old before he was bred all that much,he was a tree dog, frank giddins favored track dogs, people tend to forget sackett jrs tracking ability,i would say your dog is accurate because of sackett jr and his trait of being a top track dog.sackett jr had the coon on 99% of the trees he treed on. he was bred to so many females, you will find his pups all over the board, just like any highly bred stud dog. the tree dog came from rattler. nailor was just a funnel to get it there. if you look at enough pups out of any highly bred dog you will see a common trait that each put in their pups.--nailor-tree dogs,,,logans wild clover--tight mouthed tree dogs,,finley river dan --open trailing -track dogs,,lipper-- loose mouthed track dogs..stylish hayes jr--balanced on track and tree..each produced their fair share of decent dogs crossed with the right female,crossed with the wrong female each produced their fair share of idiots.......................TC
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quote:i think your percentage of rough dogs out of nailor is exagerated some what. but that is a trait that yadkin tar rattler passed down to many dogs out of him. bred to a female with this trait is what brought it out in some of nailors pups.its all in the breeding, the four grand parents and the four great grand parents triats come into play a whole lot more then people consider when making a cross.untill people are willing to line breed for desired traits and only out cross to remove faults, you will only have a shot in the dark of producing a balanced strain of dogs.Gary Hern produced some of the best line bred walker dogs to ever wear a dog collar.world ch red eagle dick was the sire of world ch smokin joe and world ch sparkys alabama eagle. smokin joe was out of a female sired by world ch rock river banjo. he bred a male out of alabama eagle to a female out of smokin joe and produced pups with red eagle dicks traits of drive,big mouthed independant accurate dogs that were balanced on track and tree power, keeping the traits of finley river dan and crowding cindy in his line of red eagle dogs.....................TC
Originally posted by truebluefordman
why dont you all tell the other side to them .. they all where ILL. yes 99% where some of the best tree dogs alive but all would it a dog up right now... that was a true trait of nailer... dont get me wrong he pass on the whole package coon dog as do a lot of studs but he did it with style though.
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Re: Re: Re: nailor
quote:i never hunted with him when he was young. i also have heard the same about rock river gap,must be they hunted it out if him too. i know for a fact ganns finisher was a deer running fool when he was a young dog because i hunted him. that was hunted out of him too. not very many dogs are born with out some thing that needs to be worked out of them with hunting or time and age.................TC
Originally posted by Chiggers
I read an article on Jr were Frank said he slick treed very often when he was a young dog, he said he just kept hunting him and he got out of it.
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Re: Re: Re: nailor
quote:
Originally posted by Chiggers
I read an article on Jr were Frank said he slick treed very often when he was a young dog, he said he just kept hunting him and he got out of it.
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well i have dog out of nailor and well coon treein s.o b never slick treed 90% accurate and he is 12 yrs old and still out hunts my pups
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Originally posted by bigboy6577
well i have dog out of nailor and well coon treein s.o b never slick treed 90% accurate and he is 12 yrs old and still out hunts my pups
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Originally posted by Ralph Williams
I for one know of 1 that was not ill. Grand Nite Yadkin River Chubbs. He won the Grand American a few years ago. I hunted with him a good bit and I NEVER saw him even pay attention to another dog. So they were not ALL ill !!!
i was talkin about treein trash,,,,not slick treeing out of the 20 hunts i had him on cause i just bought 3 months ago it has been a coon 18 times out of 20 and the other two time well i dont know what was in the hole in the ground but i had to pull him out i could not see anything in there so idk 2 times out of 20 so 90% accurate
Re: Re: nailor
quote:to each there own i like nailor and sackett jr dogs, its all i own ,and ive never had a slick treein one out of him
Originally posted by toe cutter
since pups show more of their grand parents traits then their parents (proven fact) arent you cutting sackett jr and tar rattler kind of short on the credit for your dogs abilty. there is more then a fair share of genes in your dog that are not nailors alone.yadkin tar rattler was 10 years old before he was bred all that much,he was a tree dog, frank giddins favored track dogs, people tend to forget sackett jrs tracking ability,i would say your dog is accurate because of sackett jr and his trait of being a top track dog.sackett jr had the coon on 99% of the trees he treed on. he was bred to so many females, you will find his pups all over the board, just like any highly bred stud dog. the tree dog came from rattler. nailor was just a funnel to get it there. if you look at enough pups out of any highly bred dog you will see a common trait that each put in their pups.--nailor-tree dogs,,,logans wild clover--tight mouthed tree dogs,,finley river dan --open trailing -track dogs,,lipper-- loose mouthed track dogs..stylish hayes jr--balanced on track and tree..each produced their fair share of decent dogs crossed with the right female,crossed with the wrong female each produced their fair share of idiots.......................TC
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quote:Hey ,I realize this post is 3 years old , but do you know the whereabouts of the Willy dog?
Originally posted by idbowdude
Have friend that has 2 six month old female pups. If you interested PM me I'll give you his name & number. He's in Idaho.
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-------------Hardwood Freckles
------------------Coon Craven Raven
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Originally posted by
They seem to generally be large size dogs too.
As for slick treeing, my experience with them has been just the opposit Just about any idiot can train any treedog to be a slick treeing idiot. Many dogs get blamed for their trainers stupidity.
I hunted against Nailor 3 times. I believe he was a young nt.ch. the first 2 times. I was handling Wessel"s Wild Casey
and I remember Nailor winning one cast, Casey winning one and I'm not sure on the 3rd cast. Jess was handling each time. The thing I remember most was what a tremendous tree dog he was. Nailor and Casey were split treed all night in those casts. I remember him being a very accurate dog with a HUGE locate that impressed everyone in those casts. Of all the dogs I drew in competition over the years, I always remember Nailor the most....he was a big,loud, impressive tree dog....Shane
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