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Will the three minute tree rule and no leash lock punish the deep and lonely dog?

Further will the rule help promote a trailing type dog vs a blow thru the country and pop up a hot one?

Lot of discussion as of late about the new rule changes for UKC that are coming up..

Can you score dogs logically out of order on the way to a dog treed deep if it happens?

Bored - took a couple nights off hunting and about to go stir crazy..

Re: Will the three minute tree rule and no leash lock punish the deep and lonely dog?

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Originally posted by Larry Hall


Bored - took a couple nights off hunting and about to go stir crazy.. [/B]

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Originally posted by Night Shift
It’s not how deep they get it’s how fast they do it.

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Dog that will tree 2 coon close, will still beat dog deep & lonely under one coon. Sassy, blue female in Indiana, was proving that before she died this summer.

Scoring out of order may depend on what registry you are hunting in says is acceptable. Lots of walking will still be needed if you have to score in order. 3 minute tree/no leash lock rule is really going to speed things up on casts & wear us old guys out. Take care, Ron.

It is all about how fast they get treed. Lots of walking less talking. How close or how far won't matter as long as you can hear them they will get scored.

It keeps an honest strike dog from being punished for treeing coons close as they get to them.


Nothing says they can’t still be independent and indifferent but that dog playing the game of tying up the cast for the win is not going to work.


Tar

If you are carrying a coon dog you will win regardless of leash lock rule I seen plenty dogs tree two singles behind the deep and lonely several times and if they are to deep he may tree three I love the new rule a hustling type dog will destroy the deep and lonely type unless they are super fast

The only time you may score trees out of order in UKC, is if; all dogs are declared treed AND handled. That won't change in 2020.

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Originally posted by Allen / UKC
The only time you may score trees out of order in UKC, is if; all dogs are declared treed AND handled. That won't change in 2020.

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Interesting responses, thanks Folks..

SF91
By law you have to until nov8 unless it’s a sanctioned hunt.

LOL - not if you live 8 miles from the MI line and hunt up there most of October .. Huge benefit for us northern IN guys.. I've only missed 6 nights across the line this month.

Nightshift - that is what I actually had in mind when asking the question.. Deep and lonely blows thru and is treed 5/8 in 10 minutes on a hot one.. Old cold trailer takes 15 minutes to grub one up 400 right handed after trailing it over 500-600 yards.. Still going to be a slight benefit for deep and lonely just due to time burn on the recast..

The new rule could really punish the dog that just flat won't tree with another and blows out of pocket when one gets treed close and with a coon. Now the close treeing dog has a strong probability of treeing two coons to deep and lonely's one.. Huge advantage and eliminates the automatic strike dogs advantage as Tar alluded to.

Pam Johnson/Allen - you all just trying to kill an fat old man.. Haters!!

Bowling I will agree to disagree with you.. Leash lock absolutely will take an honest, trailing hound and put him on the bench for a good portion of a hunt all too often and he will get beat. Happens all the time, but it's the rules for now. I believe this is a huge step in the right direction by UKC.. Be surprised if it is not forced on the the other KC by the membership soon as well..

This could absolutely change the type of dog that is winning the big hunts and we crazy, butted hunters are breeding to. Score card dogs vs coon dogs.. My .02 worth anyways. Not saying deep and lonely are not coon dogs, because they tree a bunch.. But can this current crop of big time winners produce a dog that can take a track away from three other hounds in a cast and tree it first and stay with company? That is a competition coonhound.. Not one who can take enough Ecollar correction to always be deep, alone and not have to compete on trailing the coon up and treeing first.

Rollin Blues - i hunted with your Sassy female once before she died, was a nice bitch for a blue dog .. She won the cast that night by falling treed with just a few mnutes left in the cast and having a coon.. did it right.. Hated to hear she passed.

Great conversatin all, one more night off and back to MI tomorrow night.. My best to you all.

Larry Hall

Sorry to say i didn't own her (i tried, but didn't get job done), Steve Kitchen owned her. I have owned half of LOU with him for 3 yrs., but sold my half back to him after Sassy died, so he could keep his line of dogs going in a direction he wanted to go. Take care, Ron.

IMO, it's not so much the distance that's important as it's the dog that gets treed FIRST. I don't care how far Ole Yonder goes to tree his coon, as long as mine gets treed before he does I have the advantage.

My hounds are loners so hopefully what's gonna happen is... mine is going get treed first within 500-700yds, we are going to score him and while scoring mine Yonder gets treed. After we score mine first I'm going to point him the direction of Yonder and before we finish that 3/4mi walk I'm treed again (most likely I'll get treed before we reach Yonder). As long as I get treed FIRST and we don't score dogs out of order I'm going to keep recasting... advantage me!

Chris22 that is the ideal situation I would say. Going to be a fun year I believe.

Alot can depend on the guide, the type dog the guide has and what part of the country your in as well. If im hunting a 100 strike deep an lonely im not dropping you where you can tree behind me. The coons are gonna be deep and deeper.

Deep or close, it really doesn’t matter. A dog that can get gone an get treed quick cut loose after cut loose is the ticket. Here’s the thing that’s gonna hurt people. That dog has to have a coon when he parks it . We poke an make fun of the hunts that are won with circle or minus. But the guys that are serious has a coon in the tree.

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Originally posted by rooster731
Alot can depend on the guide, the type dog the guide has and what part of the country your in as well. If im hunting a 100 strike deep an lonely im not dropping you where you can tree behind me. The coons are gonna be deep and deeper.

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Seems like the rules are gravitating more in favor of the preferred type of coon dog...

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Originally posted by Reuben
Seems like the rules are gravitating more in favor of the preferred type of coon dog...

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Originally posted by Sonny Phipps
For sure the tight to silent dog that’s a loner

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Originally posted by yadkintar
Well I don’t like to have to listen to ole ratchet Jaws for two hours either.


Tar

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I don't like a ratchet mouth either but I also don't want to have a dog working a track not saying anything.

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Originally posted by Bill(Chew)
I don't like a ratchet mouth either but I also don't want to have a dog working a track not saying anything.

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There are so many scenarios that can play out that it doesn’t matter if the dog is deep and lonely or close and covering
As long as you got a dog that will strike,take track forward, locate the correct tree and stay you will win your fair share.
Train the dog not to take stupid minus and your work will pay off with the winner you are leading

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Originally posted by yadkintar
It keeps an honest strike dog from being punished for treeing coons close as they get to them.


Nothing says they can’t still be independent and indifferent but that dog playing the game of tying up the cast for the win is not going to work.


Tar

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