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Breeding Question?
Breeding Question?
How many times would a dog have to be in say a 8 or 9 generation pedigree to have any effect on the cross if any?
Everyone likes to talk about their dogs being such n such bred but when you look at the papers said dog is way back in the pedigree but stacked several times. I'm not smart enough to know if that dog is still influencing todays dogs or not.
Let's use Boone Creek Mike for an example. Lets say he's in a 9 generation pedigree 11 times. Is there any influence from his blood coming through or it it way watered down by being so far back?
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There are some computer programs that run the coefficients for you that will give the percentages of the various dogs in a pedigree.
Look up coefficient calculator..
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Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
There are some computer programs that run the coefficients for you that will give the percentages of the various dogs in a pedigree.
Look up coefficient calculator..
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I have registered Holstein cattle. Most are black and white. Dominant trait. Some red and white. Recessive trait. It takes both parents carrying the Recessive trait for red to get a red offspring. I have had a red calf 7 generations later in the pedigree. I have also lost the red gene after the first generation.
Not sure if you can follow what I'm trying to explain but the gene your after may or may not come through to the next generation. With cattle we can send DNA samples and check with coonhounds it's a gamble.
This is a very complex topic but I hope this helps.
Depends on what you mean by "effect on the cross". If talking about traits, only the parents "effect" the offspring. But the parent's parents "effected" them and so on back. If the parents don't have the traits that you are looking for then those traits aren't going to come through from their great grandparents.
Hobo you've been playing long enough to know the more times a dog is stacked in a pedigree the more likely you are to get a pup with all or most of his characteristics no matter how far back in the ped he may be, but don't expect all the pups to be like him. You may luck up and get his clone but thats gonna be rare as hens teeth. Youll have to go through a lot of pups and keep up with them to find the one special one.
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Originally posted by yadkinriver
Hobo you've been playing long enough to know the more times a dog is stacked in a pedigree the more likely you are to get a pup with all or most of his characteristics no matter how far back in the ped he may be, but don't expect all the pups to be like him. You may luck up and get his clone but thats gonna be rare as hens teeth. Youll have to go through a lot of pups and keep up with them to find the one special one.
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But Looking To The Future...
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Originally posted by HOBO
I was just kinda curious, I ran a litter I have due mid March the other day and in 9 generations it shows Boone Creek Mike 19 times, Spring Creek Rock 24 times, Balls Hickory Nut Harry 26 times, Martin’s Golden Star 19 times, Dohoney’s Spice 12 times, Skeans Dolly 10 times, Dohoney’s Boone 24 times, Dohoney’s Lobo 6 times, House’s Clint 8 times...
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Originally posted by HOBO
I was just kinda curious, I ran a litter I have due mid March the other day and in 9 generations it shows Boone Creek Mike 19 times, Spring Creek Rock 24 times, Balls Hickory Nut Harry 26 times, Martin’s Golden Star 19 times, Dohoney’s Spice 12 times, Skeans Dolly 10 times, Dohoney’s Boone 24 times, Dohoney’s Lobo 6 times, House’s Clint 8 times...
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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Depends on what you mean by "effect on the cross". If talking about traits, only the parents "effect" the offspring. But the parent's parents "effected" them and so on back. If the parents don't have the traits that you are looking for then those traits aren't going to come through from their great grandparents.
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Originally posted by LoggyBayouBlues
X-2 What Mr. Lambert Said, anything past 3 Generations is wishful thinking!
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Gr.Ch.Swampmusic Boone
Gr.Ch.Swampmusic Pride
But Looking To The Future...
Nt.Ch.Gr.Ch.Swampmusic Big Hoss
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Originally posted by HOBO
I’m not so sure about that. I still see things passing down from Lobo and he’s 5 generations back in the pups I’m raising these days.
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Originally posted by HOBO
I’m not so sure about that. I still see things passing down from Lobo and he’s 5 generations back in the pups I’m raising these days.
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