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Posted by wildwilly0161 on 09-27-2017 11:35 PM:

Tree Aggression Breaking Book Coming SOON !!

If you have a Hound that is Tree Aggressive and is worth saving because they are normally clean acting other than on Trees.

Save Life, Your Invested Time and Money,,, Help is on the Way !!!

Soon my Book " The Complete Guide to Tree Aggression Breaking "
will be Available to the public !!!!

This Information WILL save Thousands of Deserving Tree Hounds and includes Puppy Socialization, Aggression Prevention, Aggression Focusing through the Complete aggression Breaking of Deserving Older Hounds !!
Using Positive Reinforcement Techniques !!!
It also contains Genetic / Learnt Behavior Aggression testing so each reader may look deeply into their Hound to see where the aggression has Stemmed.

This guide Teaches the Full Control of all K9 Aggression upon a simple Verbal Command and explains the Correct way to Break Tree Aggression Completely for the Hounds remaining Life span !!!

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Posted by wildwilly0161 on 09-28-2017 10:36 PM:

Aggression topcs

Please post any k9 Aggression Topics present or noticed in the past that you would like to see contained in this manual so that I may insure everything we need as Hound owners is addressed.

Positive Reinforcement Off Game breaking will be fully Covered under Misplaced aggression correcting as well !!!

Thanks in advance! ALL posts on this subject are greatly appreciated and will help me to better serve our sport !!!!

Posted by thomasg on 09-29-2017 02:03 AM:

most competition night hunters just want there dog light broke . fight till they see a light coming and then turn into angels . a chapter on just light breaking could sell books like hot cakes .lol

Posted by shadinc on 09-29-2017 03:08 AM:

I definitely want to read this book. And I don't have an aggressive dog.

Posted by rob thompson on 09-29-2017 11:40 AM:

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Originally posted by thomasg
most competition night hunters just want there dog light broke . fight till they see a light coming and then turn into angels . a chapter on just light breaking could sell books like hot cakes .lol

wow

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Posted by wjoey on 09-29-2017 02:21 PM:

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Posted by Kler Kry on 09-29-2017 02:33 PM:

Aggressiveness

How do you break your hunting buddies dog from jumping your dog while running a track and still remain friends.

Posted by H.W. Moore on 09-29-2017 02:34 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by thomasg
most competition night hunters just want there dog light broke . fight till they see a light coming and then turn into angels . a chapter on just light breaking could sell books like hot cakes .lol

I've always thought the concept of light broke was hilarious!! Dogs fightin like crazy, stopping periodically to see if lights are coming.. What could possibly be to gain??

Posted by Nathan Phenix on 09-29-2017 03:26 PM:

I know of dog that is light broke on grinners. She will tree a few of them but you won't ever catch her under one.

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Posted by JiM on 09-29-2017 04:31 PM:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by H.W. Moore
I've always thought the concept of light broke was hilarious!! Dogs fightin like crazy, stopping periodically to see if lights are coming.. What could possibly be to gain?? [/QUOTE

Your hilarity over light broke dogs is derived from am obvious lack of experience. If you ever draw a dog that works at clearing the tree of any other dogs until it sees a light coming, then acts like a perfect gentilman, you would not find it a bit funny, certainly not hilarious.

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Posted by H.W. Moore on 09-29-2017 04:58 PM:

I've been fortunate not to have dogs that were easily ran off a trees I guess. Ive broke up a bunch of dog fights over the years, sometimes with a switch a couple times with. 22 but never a light..

Posted by joey on 09-29-2017 06:08 PM:

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Originally posted by H.W. Moore
I've been fortunate not to have dogs that were easily ran off a trees I guess. Ive broke up a bunch of dog fights over the years, sometimes with a switch a couple times with. 22 but never a light..

I've seen them, true tree assassins. If there were not light broke then you would catch them pretty easy. The ones I have seen you have to get in with a light out to catch them. Obviously a dog that will not leave for them exposes what they are doing. The best one I seen was a dog being hunted local around here named Tiny. He would clear a tree as soon as the dog got there. You could hear a fight and if you went in with your light on all you would see was him up on the tree and the other dog getting after him. If you had never hunted with him you would think it was the other dog. We barred him and his handler from our club.

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Posted by 2ol2hunt on 09-29-2017 07:32 PM:

You need a chapter on how to break people from hunting and breeding these type hounds...jmo don't get mad!!

Posted by oklared on 09-29-2017 07:58 PM:

I WANT TO SEE A HOUND THAT FIGHTS AT A TREE WHEN NO ONE IS ARROUND, AND THEN IS BROKE FROM THAT, I DONT BELIEVE YOU CAN, ONLY WHEN UR THERE OR CLOSE, BUT NOT WHEN THEY ARE ALONE. IVE NEVER HAD ANYONE SAY SEE THIS DOG HE WAS AN ALIGATER AND NOW HE IS NOT AND WILL NOT FIGHT NO MATTER. JMO

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Posted by swamp1 on 09-29-2017 09:45 PM:

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You need a chapter on how to break people from hunting and breeding these type hounds...jmo don't get mad!!

X2, round here there's kennels that been doing this for 40 + years and their studdog has been declared immortal,immortality should have been administered years ago.Lol.

Posted by groworg1 on 09-29-2017 10:10 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by H.W. Moore
I've always thought the concept of light broke was hilarious!! Dogs fightin like crazy, stopping periodically to see if lights are coming.. What could possibly be to gain??

dogs aren't stupid and after being whipped or shocked for fighting they learn real fast when the lights coming so is trouble !

Posted by shadinc on 09-29-2017 11:27 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by H.W. Moore
I've always thought the concept of light broke was hilarious!! Dogs fightin like crazy, stopping periodically to see if lights are coming.. What could possibly be to gain??

When you were a kid do you remember fighting with your brother and hearing your dad coming down the hall? That's called belt broke. Same principle.

Posted by rick brocious on 09-29-2017 11:29 PM:

We have foxhounds that on occasion get growly and snappy in the box . Any suggestions for that behavior ?

Posted by Reuben on 09-30-2017 10:53 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by rick brocious
We have foxhounds that on occasion get growly and snappy in the box . Any suggestions for that behavior ?

growly dogs in the dog box...even dogs that bark in the box...I pull over and use a cattle prod on the hard headed ones...they learn to behave after a few times but I try to not leave them in the box unsupervised...

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Posted by thomasg on 10-01-2017 06:34 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by rob thompson
wow

i was being sarcastic .lol some of us older guys can remember when a pressure tree dog meant it could handle fangs and had nothing to do with independence .

Posted by rob thompson on 10-01-2017 02:43 PM:

I know exactly what it means

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Posted by Kler Kry on 10-01-2017 03:18 PM:

Aggressive Dogs

I wish you the best of luck with your book, especially the chapter on determining genetic aggression from man made. I personally have zero tolerance for it. I HATE aggressive dogs and have no time for school yard bullies as well. I broke one aggressive dog from being aggressive because it was a partnership dog in 45 years. It is not that I couldn't but I wouldn't.
Some of the historical best tree dog reproducers were aggressive in the past. It is a dominant trait genetically and will take a minimum of two generations to eliminate from a bloodline if one desires.
In my search for excellence I have been lied to by the most famous breeders in the past. Most are in denial and will never eliminate it from their bloodline because they first have to admit it to themselves.
Why would anyone want to waste time and money training and raising and promoting genetically aggressive dog only to have to repeat the process on the offspring? Pride of ownership causes a lot of kennel blindness. We have all had it. I wish there was a cure for it. A vaccination for kennel blindness would be like breaking a dog from aggressiveness. You are just avoiding the root cause! This is my opinion and I'm sticking to it. Ken Risley

Posted by Reuben on 10-02-2017 02:03 AM:

Kler Kry...great post...

However, I do believe that a higher level of training would save dogs from having to be culled...years ago I also made the mistake of breeding one of my mt. cur females to a Busher bred mt cur with me knowing that he had aggression issues...my logic was that the Busher blood was about gone so I felt like I needed to breed to that dog and with properly selecting the right pups would solve that problem...almost every pup had aggression issues and none were kept...so yes I agree...aggression is a dominant trait...

I am a believer in breeding and selecting for natural ability...if you have to feed a ton of tracks you can expect to do the same with the offspring...if you have to spend extra time to break aggression then you can expect the same as well...

The extra training can be very beneficial to many dogs and dog owners that want a better hunting dog or pet but not to use these dogs in a breeding program...most of the time we know if it is man made or an inherent trait...

We as dog owners make mistakes when training so a higher level of knowledge would be very beneficial...some of these mistakes are man made.....i will post a few examples of man made problems that a dog will or can develop that we can eliminate by changing how we work with the pup on a day in and day out basis that prevents from ever creating it to begin with...

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Posted by shadinc on 10-02-2017 03:36 AM:

Reuben, I'm thinking if you use Willy's method on pups you will never see aggression. And you will have a good handling dog. Am I right , Willy?

Posted by H.W. Moore on 10-02-2017 05:56 PM:

Page 1 should read as follows: Any dog that shows aggression towards people or other dogs should 1st be spayed or neutered before using any breaking methods..

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