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Honest Strike Dog

Is a fourth strike dog an "honest strike dog"? Or is he opening after he has smelled a track for a minute or two? It seems to me that the first strike dog that opens as soon as he gets a slight whiff of a track would be more of an "honest strike dog". I don't understand why people who have a 4th strike dog always call them an "honest strike dog" when they know that they have actually been trailing for a while before they open.
A dog that opens when no track is there is "dishonest" but isn't a dog that doesn't open when a track is there "dishonest" also?

This should be interesting, because any answer is pure speculation.

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Jacob Miller

Some dogs are just smarter than others.
They'll open when they got it figured/lined out.
That in it self doesn't make them dishonest.
IMO makes them intelligent.
As opposed to the dog that opens as soon as it detects scent but babbles trying to figure out which way it should go. (Airheads).jmo

Determining when a dog starts to smell a track in relation to when it opens its mouth is impossible and as such is speculation. Determining when there is no track present to smell is (should be) much easier.

Also, why do so many people complain about babblers but no one complains about silent track dogs. A whole lot of handlers want to even change the rules to benefit the silent track dog. A lot of handlers say that they can't stand a babbler but they like a silent track dog. I don't understand that. They even made a rule to minus babblers and most judges use it. But I have never in my 30 yrs of comp hunting seen a dog scratched for being silent on track. Why doesn't anyone propose a rule that says a dog has to open at least 10 times on track before they can be treed?

So if a dog doesn't open at least 10 times you consider him silent?

A whole lot of dishonest people are very intelligent. And with the advent of Garmins, everyone should know when their dog starts trailing whether they open or not. I can tell you when my dog is about to open.

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Originally posted by BLAKE WHEELER
So if a dog doesn't open at least 10 times you consider him silent?

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He may be lying on track but he's pretty honest on the tree lol

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
They even made a rule to minus babblers and most judges use it. But I have never in my 30 yrs of comp hunting seen a dog scratched for being silent on track.

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Shane

Doesn't have anything to do with when the dog strikes its just a term to describe a dog that isn't babbling. That's the only reason to use it. Honest vs "babbling" not honest. Truth be told just because he is last doesn't make him honest. Just slow.

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
A whole lot of dishonest people are very intelligent. And with the advent of Garmins, everyone should know when their dog starts trailing whether they open or not. I can tell you when my dog is about to open.

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Originally posted by Adams, Harold
From most of your statements I can tell you when yours is about to open too!! When you are reaching for the snap to unleash!! Strike Ol red!!!

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Originally posted by Cory Highfill
Determining when a dog starts to smell a track in relation to when it opens its mouth is impossible and as such is speculation. Determining when there is no track present to smell is (should be) much easier.

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Is a dog that gets second or third tree a "me too" dog or one that is slower on track and gets beat to a tree. Or maybe they are just slower to tree because they like to check and make sure the coon is there. Why does everyone automatically assume that a second or third tree dog can't tree a coon by themselves? Everyone wants to "weed out" the slow second and third tree dogs. But they go out looking for those slow second or third tree dogs when they sneak off by themselves and don't open on track so that you don't know how slow they are. Is it because these are "cast winners"?

Where you hunting with these silent dogs ? I ain't hunted with one in 25 yrs and sure ain't hunted with one in the last 10 yrs I would like to draw a whole cast of silent dogs myself. All that barking makes me want to drink cheap whiskey! And I don't drink !!



Tarbaby

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Originally posted by Adams, Harold
From most of your statements I can tell you when yours is about to open too.

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Richard me and you have hunted in enough $$$ hunts to know that that striking under the minute with the majority of the cast barking off the snap is dishonest and used for an advantage unless you have a non hunting judge you are S.O.L. !! I like an open trailing dog with enough track speed to dominate slower dogs myself.



Tar

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Is a dog that gets second or third tree a "me too" dog or one that is slower on track and gets beat to a tree. Or maybe they are just slower to tree because they like to check and make sure the coon is there. Why does everyone automatically assume that a second or third tree dog can't tree a coon by themselves? Everyone wants to "weed out" the slow second and third tree dogs. But they go out looking for those slow second or third tree dogs when they sneak off by themselves and don't open on track so that you don't know how slow they are. Is it because these are "cast winners"?

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Originally posted by Dogwhisper
Some dogs are just smarter than others.
They'll open when they got it figured/lined out.
That in it self doesn't make them dishonest.
IMO makes them intelligent.
As opposed to the dog that opens as soon as it detects scent but babbles trying to figure out which way it should go. (Airheads).jmo

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Originally posted by yadkintar
Where you hunting with these silent dogs ? I ain't hunted with one in 25 yrs and sure ain't hunted with one in the last 10 yrs I would like to draw a whole cast of silent dogs myself. All that barking makes me want to drink cheap whiskey! And I don't drink !!



Tarbaby

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Mr Adams, I have honest strike dogs. They open as soon as they smell a track, not before and not later on when they get it "lined out".

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Two weeks ago I was in a two dog cast. The other dog(an 8-year-old nite champion) struck off the leash. After about 5 minutes of him "trailing" alone, the handler asked me if my dog was silent. I told him no. Then he said she must not have a very good nose. About 3 minutes later his dog sounded different. My first thought was that he just struck a track. Twenty seconds later mine opened, they ran about 200 yds and treed. Do you think anybody could convince this man that his dog wasn't an honest strike dog? Most people that hunt babblers don't think they are babbling.

A lot of people don't know what their dog is doing at any time. But I think that "most" people know when their dog is babbling. But that doesn't mean that they will admit it during a hunt. It is just like when they tree their dog and he shuts up and moves 10 yrds deeper and starts treeing again. Now can they not tell he moved or will they just not admit that he moved?
How about when you unsnap the dogs and one leaves barking and never shuts up. Now for the first minute his handler knows that he is babbling and doesn't strike him. But as soon as the minute is up he strikes him and swears that he isn't babbling.

True story: we had a notorious babbler down here nobody liked to draw him the guy absolutely would not take minuse your dog barked up instantly he was covered one night I was the judge dog left babbling soon as the second the minute was up he was going to strike him and I knew it minutes up and on cue dog humps up taking a dookie still barking I made him strike him and I minused him he got mad and withdrew never hunted him again because he knew we told everybody lol.




Tar