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Rear dew claws in bench show?

Can a treeing walker with rear dew claws be shown in a bench show or will it to be disqualified? I'd like Ukc's answer on this.

I've looked in the rule book and not seen where it's a disqualifying factor

is this the real big smo??? just wonderin!

If it's a dq, it will be in the breed standard.

http://www.ukcdogs.com/Web.nsf/Bree...onhound01012011

It says when describing hindquarters, "dewclaws removed", but it is not an eliminating fault or a disqualification.

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Re: Rear dew claws in bench show?

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Originally posted by Bigsmo
Can a treeing walker with rear dew claws be shown in a bench show or will it to be disqualified? I'd like Ukc's answer on this.

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Lol I'm sure the real big smo wouldn't be on the ukc forum. Funny tho cause me and the wife passed his bus that had big smo written on the side in either Ohio or Indiana on our way to world couple weekends ago.

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Wish ukc. would come on here and make an official ruling on it... it also has other standards about feet, tail, coat, dew claws, ears. .etc... only thing it says under disqualifications are undershot or overshot, Unilateral or bilateral. Cryptorchid, Viciousness. Or extreme shyness, Albinism. Deaf. Or blind... my dog would of won best of show ..was the best dog by a landslide, but was denied because of rear dew claws.and was told he could never be showed at the club again!!

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Originally posted by imacorgimom
If it's a dq, it will be in the breed standard.

http://www.ukcdogs.com/Web.nsf/Bree...onhound01012011

It says when describing hindquarters, "dewclaws removed", but it is not an eliminating fault or a disqualification.

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Originally posted by shadinc
Exactly what part of "dewclaws removed" do you not understand?

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My vet removes them for $60 that's the route I would go !

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Originally posted by MIKE CARDER
So what you saying is if they have Dewclaws they are DQ'd. Since it also says under feet compact and well padded, with a cat-like appearance. Toes are well arched with strong nails" they are DQd if its not like that.

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No sir I was talking about a show in Florida... never attended a show in Mars hill

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Sorry for hijacking on your thread

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After extensive research I have found out that a treeing walker can not be disqualified for rear dew claws in a show. I believe a lot of the show judges need to know the correct rules before judging a show. Cheating someone out of a win at a show is no different than falsifying a score card and their show license should be revoked especially the ones in Florida and Texas. ....or anywhere for that matter!!! Thank you have a nice day!!! :-)

Information?

Where are you getting this info. Post it, I agree but unless you show in black and white some won't believe.

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It's all in the breed standard.

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I just got off the phone with a lady from the ukc office and she said a treeing walker having rear dew claws was NOT a disqualifying factor and that the judges that do so needs to reread the rule book. So if anyone says or thinks differently needs to read the rule book or even better call ukc themselves as I done.



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Originally posted by shadinc
Exactly what part of "dewclaws removed" do you not understand?

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I still understand "dewclaws removed" as dewclaws removed. Please give me your definition.

Dew claws removed

Is NOT a disqualifying trait, (by having them)but rather just a point deduction. If it was disqualifying then it would list it. I hope this helps?

The problem I see here is the fact that some judges judge one way and other judges another. Its hard because we are human and see things differently. I was judging a beagle bench show down in Ky back in 2003 once and got to the Champions and this female had I would say 3/8" over bite, A Champion!!! Why? Well I put it in the show packet and sent it in. Heck she was put together great except that. But the real problem was the previous judges just did what they wanted and did not point it out. Attend the seminars, learn the standards, not just for one breed but all. And for everyone's sake don't say you know when you don't. Never hurts to be humble, I think it makes you smarter..

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"Breeders and judges have the responsibility to avoid any conditions or exaggerations that are detrimental to the health, welfare, essence and soundness of this breed, and must take the responsibility to see that these are not perpetuated."

I'm not saying that dew claws are a fault. If the standard says they should be removed then obviously they are a health, welfare, essence, or soundness concern. With that said how can this "fault" NOT be perpetuated by cutting them of. They cant, the only way to get rid of dew claws, is to not breed dogs with dew claws. Therefore if they are to not be perpetuated then, according to the standard, dogs with dew claws should be disqualified.

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. I was judging a beagle bench show down in Ky back in 2003 once and got to the Champions and this female had I would say 3/8" over bite, A Champion!!! Why? Maybe she was only shown against dogs with 1/2" over bites and nobody would DQ them.

Post the name at U K C

Bigsmo! would you please post the name of the person you talked to they won't care.

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But what if they do DQ them. Then what????

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