UKC Forums
Show all 12 posts from this thread on one page

UKC Forums (http://forums.ukcdogs.com/index.php)
- UKC Coonhounds (http://forums.ukcdogs.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=4)
-- Have ? On night hunt (http://forums.ukcdogs.com/showthread.php?threadid=928521400)


Posted by damon shivers on 08-22-2019 04:05 AM:

Have ? On night hunt

4 dog cast dogs tree 7:50 gone on tree and one guy finds coon in plain sight but guy says here it is. 8 gone before at least 3 guys get there to see coon. Hows it scored?

__________________
Ntch PR Shivers Rushcreek Shelly-Ntch Perry's Rushcreek OppyXMichells Val(passed)
Grnitech CH Wch PR Shivers Magic Buckeye-Grch Gnitech PR Dillions Smoken Blue MagicXNtch Shivers Rush Creek Shelly(passed)
ChPR Shivers Blue Belle-HoochX Shelly
Nitech Ch PR Shivers Magic Lead-MagicXHooker
Breeder and handler and half owner of Nitech Grch Grwch Grfch PR Rock Acres Brutus HTX sire MagicXShelly
Cali- Ch Wch Grnite Shivers Magic Buckeye x Dual Grand Tuff


Posted by Bill(Chew) on 08-22-2019 05:48 AM:

Not what you want to hear and not that I like it either BUT, circle points.

__________________
Bill Harper
Washington, NC
252-944-5592


Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 08-22-2019 03:28 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Bill(Chew)
Not what you want to hear and not that I like it either BUT, circle points.


Yep,

Guys can purposely delay a cast and tell here it is right before the 8 is up. Coon has to be seen by a majority of the cast before the 8 min mark.

__________________
Grand Nite Ch Main Street Ike RIP(Grand at 18 months) 2014 English days High scoring GRNT
Grand Nite Ch Owl Creek Blue Belle(5th place Nite Ch Autumn Oaks 2012)
Grand Nite Ch PKC CH Main Street Blueberry Jam(Autumn Oaks Final 4 Grand Nite Ch 2015) UKC world finalist 2017 Ohio State Ch 2018
Grand Nite Ch PKC Silver CH Main Street Blue SS quarterfinalist 2018. Autumn Oaks Grand 16 2018
Trevor Hack
567-231-7413


Posted by Richard Lambert on 08-22-2019 04:39 PM:

And guys can drag their feet about getting to where they can see the coon until the 8 is up. It can go either way. But you do have to have an arbritary limit or cutoff.


Posted by Redneck Mafia on 08-22-2019 05:32 PM:

Re: Have ? On night hunt

quote:
Originally posted by damon shivers
4 dog cast dogs tree 7:50 gone on tree and one guy finds coon in plain sight but guy says here it is. 8 gone before at least 3 guys get there to see coon. Hows it scored?

So did just the one see it or 2? How did the remaining cast members vote to score the tree?

__________________
Cheyenne & Jennifer Cummings
Seneca , MO
(417)317-4815
GRNITECH PKC SCH REDNECK MAFIA
NAT GRNITECH GRCH GRNITECH(3) PKC PCH REDNECK BACKWOODS SHACK
2014 OK STATE CH, 2015 MO PKC LEADER, 2016 PKC NATIONALS SEMIFINALIST, 2016 UKC TOP 20, 2O17 UKC WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP 3RD PLACE, 2018 PKC SENIOR SHOWDOWN TRUCK HUNT FINAL 4, 2018 MO PKC STATE CHAMPION, 2019 AUTUMN OAKS NATIONAL GRNITE CH, 2019 PKC WORLD CH SEMIFINALIST.
GRNITECH CH PKC CH REDNECK SHACK ATTACK aka TAC 2018 OKLAHOMA STATE CHAMPION


Posted by Coal295 on 08-22-2019 06:43 PM:

Score

If I'm one of the 4 in the cast and I see the coon with my own eyes and I know for fact the guy( whoever he is) saw it and yelled that he had it before the 8 I'm gonna try to score that coon. If it hurts me or helps me either way, I feel it's the honest way. If the other cast members dont feel that way then nothing I can do, but I dont lose any sleep. If its found after the 8 then too bad, but if its found in plain sight before the 8 then I'm gonna vote to plus it. If i see people dragging their butts trying not to see it then I lose respect for those people. I hate when handlers try to win casts instead of letting their dogs do the work!


Posted by Redneck Mafia on 08-22-2019 07:23 PM:

Re: Re: Have ? On night hunt

quote:
Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
So did just the one see it or 2? How did the remaining cast members vote to score the tree?

The reason I ask is that if 2 of the 4 did not see it then the tree is scored with however the majority votes. If 2 vote to plus and 2 vote to circle then it is circled. Now if 2 vote to plus and 2 vote to minus the rules do not say what to do, I know it cannot be plus points because a majority has to see it within the 8 unless a non-hunting judge is used. I would think delete but my rules expert isn't here. Maybe UKC or some other "expert" can fill us in.

__________________
Cheyenne & Jennifer Cummings
Seneca , MO
(417)317-4815
GRNITECH PKC SCH REDNECK MAFIA
NAT GRNITECH GRCH GRNITECH(3) PKC PCH REDNECK BACKWOODS SHACK
2014 OK STATE CH, 2015 MO PKC LEADER, 2016 PKC NATIONALS SEMIFINALIST, 2016 UKC TOP 20, 2O17 UKC WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP 3RD PLACE, 2018 PKC SENIOR SHOWDOWN TRUCK HUNT FINAL 4, 2018 MO PKC STATE CHAMPION, 2019 AUTUMN OAKS NATIONAL GRNITE CH, 2019 PKC WORLD CH SEMIFINALIST.
GRNITECH CH PKC CH REDNECK SHACK ATTACK aka TAC 2018 OKLAHOMA STATE CHAMPION


Posted by Pat Bizich on 08-22-2019 08:46 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Have ? On night hunt

quote:
Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
The reason I ask is that if 2 of the 4 did not see it then the tree is scored with however the majority votes. If 2 vote to plus and 2 vote to circle then it is circled. Now if 2 vote to plus and 2 vote to minus the rules do not say what to do, I know it cannot be plus points because a majority has to see it within the 8 unless a non-hunting judge is used. I would think delete but my rules expert isn't here. Maybe UKC or some other "expert" can fill us in.


Your answers are on the scorecard

CIRCLE
5 (c)If half the cast votes to plus and half the cast votes to minus "OR" circle a tree


DELETE
5 ( d)If half te cast votes to circle and half the cast votes to minus

__________________
IT SEEMS THAT EVERYTIME A BREED OR LINE OF DOGS GET POPULAR IT EVENTUALLY LEADS TO ITS RUINATION BY UNINFORMED PEOPLE BREEDING WITHOUT DOING THEIR RESEARCH FIRST.

Gone but never forgotten:
NtChGrCh Dryfork Punkin
NtChGrCh Dryfork Little Blue Baby Doll
2009 Pa Show Dog Of The Year
GrCh Dryfork Little Black Book

Home of:

2009,2013,2018 Pa. State
Show Handler Of The Year
GrCh Dryfork Black Dog Raine
Gr.Ch. Black Dog Black Cherry
Gr.Ch. Make My Day Sunny
2018 Pa. Show Dog Of Year
Gr.Ch. Batman's Poison Ivy
2011&2013 WTDA Pa State Champion
2011&2013 Overall Hunt For The Cure
Ch. Jay's Greenridge Heidi
In memory of my best friend "Jay"


Posted by gpent24 on 08-22-2019 08:50 PM:

I have found coons later in the 8 minutes but i think that's part of the sport. Is finding your coon quickly. If you haven't found a coon in "plain sight" in 7:50 then that's on the handlers. I understand one that won't look or something again but not in plain sight.

__________________
601-916-2876


Posted by Redneck Mafia on 08-22-2019 09:20 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Have ? On night hunt

quote:
Originally posted by Pat Bizich
Your answers are on the scorecard

CIRCLE
5 (c)If half the cast votes to plus and half the cast votes to minus "OR" circle a tree


DELETE
5 ( d)If half te cast votes to circle and half the cast votes to minus



The scorecard reads different than the rules then. This is copied and pasted directly from downloadable rule book.

NITE HUNTS
54 Official UKC Coonhound Rulebook Official UKC Coonhound Rulebook 55
5. CIRCLED AND DELETED POINTS
Circle points:
(c) If half the cast votes to plus and half the cast
votes to circle a tree.

Delete points:
(e) If half the cast votes to circle and half the cast
votes to minus a tree.

__________________
Cheyenne & Jennifer Cummings
Seneca , MO
(417)317-4815
GRNITECH PKC SCH REDNECK MAFIA
NAT GRNITECH GRCH GRNITECH(3) PKC PCH REDNECK BACKWOODS SHACK
2014 OK STATE CH, 2015 MO PKC LEADER, 2016 PKC NATIONALS SEMIFINALIST, 2016 UKC TOP 20, 2O17 UKC WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP 3RD PLACE, 2018 PKC SENIOR SHOWDOWN TRUCK HUNT FINAL 4, 2018 MO PKC STATE CHAMPION, 2019 AUTUMN OAKS NATIONAL GRNITE CH, 2019 PKC WORLD CH SEMIFINALIST.
GRNITECH CH PKC CH REDNECK SHACK ATTACK aka TAC 2018 OKLAHOMA STATE CHAMPION


Posted by Pat Bizich on 08-22-2019 10:14 PM:

OOPS .Your right .Had the wrong card on top that was before they condensed the card down to save space.
Here is were they changed it officially in Coon hound Advisor.



__________________
IT SEEMS THAT EVERYTIME A BREED OR LINE OF DOGS GET POPULAR IT EVENTUALLY LEADS TO ITS RUINATION BY UNINFORMED PEOPLE BREEDING WITHOUT DOING THEIR RESEARCH FIRST.

Gone but never forgotten:
NtChGrCh Dryfork Punkin
NtChGrCh Dryfork Little Blue Baby Doll
2009 Pa Show Dog Of The Year
GrCh Dryfork Little Black Book

Home of:

2009,2013,2018 Pa. State
Show Handler Of The Year
GrCh Dryfork Black Dog Raine
Gr.Ch. Black Dog Black Cherry
Gr.Ch. Make My Day Sunny
2018 Pa. Show Dog Of Year
Gr.Ch. Batman's Poison Ivy
2011&2013 WTDA Pa State Champion
2011&2013 Overall Hunt For The Cure
Ch. Jay's Greenridge Heidi
In memory of my best friend "Jay"


Posted by Redneck Mafia on 08-22-2019 10:30 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Pat Bizich
OOPS .Your right .Had the wrong card on top that was before they condensed the card down to save space.
Here is were they changed it officially in Coon hound Advisor.

https://postimg.cc/67W1V2HJ


Wouldn't it be nice if all the rules created that are in the advisor are actually in the rules.
Cheyenne knew it but so many people do not hunt in as many hunts as some of y'all do not to mention the new comers and kids. The online advisor only goes back so far and some of the old books have things that are obsolete with newer rule changes and UKC changes. Some MOH still try to tell people they can't hunt a dog with pup papers which is still found online in the advisor but a more resent one says you can.
So this is another to add to the list. Driving to tree rules, cages and enclosures delete no matter what is in them or not in them and how to score tie votes on half plus half minus. I'm sure there are many more.

__________________
Cheyenne & Jennifer Cummings
Seneca , MO
(417)317-4815
GRNITECH PKC SCH REDNECK MAFIA
NAT GRNITECH GRCH GRNITECH(3) PKC PCH REDNECK BACKWOODS SHACK
2014 OK STATE CH, 2015 MO PKC LEADER, 2016 PKC NATIONALS SEMIFINALIST, 2016 UKC TOP 20, 2O17 UKC WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP 3RD PLACE, 2018 PKC SENIOR SHOWDOWN TRUCK HUNT FINAL 4, 2018 MO PKC STATE CHAMPION, 2019 AUTUMN OAKS NATIONAL GRNITE CH, 2019 PKC WORLD CH SEMIFINALIST.
GRNITECH CH PKC CH REDNECK SHACK ATTACK aka TAC 2018 OKLAHOMA STATE CHAMPION


All times are GMT. The time now is 04:52 PM.
Show all 12 posts from this thread on one page

Powered by: vBulletin Version 2.3.0
Copyright © Jelsoft Enterprises Limited 2000 - 2002.
Copyright 2003-2020, United Kennel Club