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Is there any facts that a thyroid problem will make a dog start missing coons
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SLR mine did not start missing but just couldn't tell which way a track went and didn't want to hunt out right. I have spent 9 months trying to get him right. Put him on a large dose and it didn't help, raised the dose and he got good again and tested at 2. but after about a month he can't get the job done and his thyroid is low again. up the dose and he's good for about a month then same thing. Up to 2.5 MG per day and he's having trouble again. I have given up and will just hunt him like he is and live with it. He can still tree a coon but is not the same dog. Other people have a lot better success than I have.
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Has anyone tracked if there are certain bloodlines throwing more of these thyroid dogs?
I have a dog that has eurhlicia (sp) when the temp goes up, he starts to miss coon. Gets real hot and tires quick.
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Originally posted by Preacher Tom
SLR mine did not start missing but just couldn't tell which way a track went and didn't want to hunt out right. I have spent 9 months trying to get him right. Put him on a large dose and it didn't help, raised the dose and he got good again and tested at 2. but after about a month he can't get the job done and his thyroid is low again. up the dose and he's good for about a month then same thing. Up to 2.5 MG per day and he's having trouble again. I have given up and will just hunt him like he is and live with it. He can still tree a coon but is not the same dog. Other people have a lot better success than I have.
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Originally posted by Sonny Phipps
Tom, I’m not trying to start a issue or pat myself on the back but did I not tell you that this could happen? If you lay him up with that same dosage, his number will climb high. It’s directly translated to stress level on the body. I have no medical back up to that just real world experience.
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What is the level the dog should be ? Or all all dogs different? Waiting on results from Cornell on mine. Mine's been looking real shaky on finishing tracks lately and had some blood drawn and he has Lymes also. Hope the thyroid comes back negative.
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Thyroid level won't mean anything until after he recovers from Lymes.
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Thyroid level won't mean anything until after he recovers from Lymes.
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From what I’ve learned dealing with tick disease in a coon dog you have to make some significant changes.
First get him through the Doxy and let him come off for a week before you hunt him in warm weather. Mine runs real hot on the Doxy.
Hunt him about half of what you want. Every other night or a few nights and a couple off. Keep their weight under control. Switch to a fish based dog food for help with the heat and thyroid health. We are also trying an immune system supplement that appears To be working that was recommended to me by a fellow coon Hunter. First time in a year and a half I’m optimistic we are beating this thing long term. 5 weeks in and harder hunting than I should and no breakdown in performance.
There is a link between tick disease and thyroid issues in humans and dogs. It’s a terrible problem when you have to deal with it and extremely prevalent with the amount of ticks we have anymore.
Good luck with your hound.
Tick disease messes up their metabolism. Thyroid controls metabolism. Thyroid has a hard time trying to control metabolism while they are sick and afterwards so levels of T3 go up and down. Levels are off and unreliable anytime they are sick, run a fever or are pregnant. Get them regulated when they are healthy and continue that same dose when they are sick or stressed and don't try to regulate it then. Now that is just my opinion and I am not a vet.
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From what I’ve learned dealing with tick disease in a coon dog you have to make some significant changes.
First get him through the Doxy and let him come off for a week before you hunt him in warm weather. Mine runs real hot on the Doxy.
Hunt him about half of what you want. Every other night or a few nights and a couple off. Keep their weight under control. Switch to a fish based dog food for help with the heat and thyroid health. We are also trying an immune system supplement that appears To be working that was recommended to me by a fellow coon Hunter. First time in a year and a half I’m optimistic we are beating this thing long term. 5 weeks in and harder hunting than I should and no breakdown in performance.
There is a link between tick disease and thyroid issues in humans and dogs. It’s a terrible problem when you have to deal with it and extremely prevalent with the amount of ticks we have anymore.
Good luck with your hound.
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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Tick disease messes up their metabolism. Thyroid controls metabolism. Thyroid has a hard time trying to control metabolism while they are sick and afterwards so levels of T3 go up and down. Levels are off and unreliable anytime they are sick, run a fever or are pregnant. Get them regulated when they are healthy and continue that same dose when they are sick or stressed and don't try to regulate it then. Now that is just my opinion and I am not a vet.
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You don't get a positive or a negative. You get a number. You have to correlate that number with his symptoms. That number goes up and down with infection or stress. His body will try to keep that number at an even level but some dogs can and some can't depending on their thyroid and pituitary glands. You shouldn't try to regulate that number until the infection is gone. Dealing with thyroid issues is very complicated and not everything about them is clearly understood. Vets can't even agree as to what a normal range is. It is not a black and white issue. There is a lot of grey area.
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Why the hells it have to be so complicated? Wasn't that hard in the 80's
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Why the hells it have to be so complicated? Wasn't that hard in the 80's
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Crackheads have crack babies generations of them !! In mans stupid greed to gain a competition edge they created a monster. Then to get the all grand pedigree they multiplied that monster over and over and then when selling their puppy mill pups so not to take a loss on their investment they lied to their customers.
Call one of them and tell them the pup you got off them at 2 yrs old is a thyroid dog and watch them crawfish and blame it on you.
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Gotta give you credit man, you have been saying this for a long time now and it sure looks like you were right. Juicing dogs, how much harm has this caused? I wonder how many guilty parties would own up to their misdeeds? Dave
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Tom,
I want to test this out a bit more before I share. We are treating four Lymes dogs now and two of them are showing tremendous improvement and performance. These two have been on it just over a month. The other two we just started. We get similar performance on them and we will make it available across the board.
Truly unbelievable the positive changes we’ve had on the first two hounds.
Giving a dog thyroid meds because it’s T4 is low, is a big mistake many people make. A complete blood panel To check all other related hormone functions is the only way to know if it’s a true “thyroid” dog. Many dogs get a compromised immune system from something (tick illness) and the thyroid level drops off until it’s system is recovered. Often time people jump on the pills and then the dog can come dependent on them. Test completely before you start the pills.
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Will do Sonny
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Some people don’t agree, but in my small group of hunting buddies we have not had one test positive for Lyme that has been vaccinated for it. Most all that have not been have tested positive. All of is use a tick prevention program also but nothing seems to be 100% in this area
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Originally posted by Dave Richards
Gotta give you credit man, you have been saying this for a long time now and it sure looks like you were right. Juicing dogs, how much harm has this caused? I wonder how many guilty parties would own up to their misdeeds? Dave
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Originally posted by Rip
So medically and genetically juicing the dog doesn't produce pups that are thyroid dogs.
Thyroid dogs are from one of three things
1. It's genetic, they have a genetic fault that causes them to have bad thyroids just like some humans have.
2. Tick disease: Tick disease can kill the thyroid in both dogs and humans.
3. Doping: Somebody made it a thyroid dog by doping it for performance with thyroid pills to the point it killed their natural thyroid. This will not make the offspring of this dog a thyroid dog but if you mess with a pregnant dogs thyroid you can cause a miscarrage, false pregnancy or stillbirth.
I agree.....
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