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If you have a young male, lets say 2 or under, and you feel that he is a really nice dog and would want some pups out of him someday, do you start breeding him once you know how nice he is, or once he is finished to where you want him in compititions?
just want people's opinions about when they start breeding there males. I have one here that is under 2 but will have 2 or 3 litters on the ground in the next few months, I did it because I want to know what kind of hound he reproduces before I push him in breeding pen (I will push him after he is AT LEAST dual grand) and it also helps me with getting him 100 pups on the ground lol
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Whenever you are happy with him wether he is 1 or 10 then breed him. After all your breeding for yourself who cares what anyone else thinks.
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I was just wondering what others do
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Re: stud dogs
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Originally posted by RED REBELS
If you have a young male, lets say 2 or under, and you feel that he is a really nice dog and would want some pups out of him someday, do you start breeding him once you know how nice he is, or once he is finished to where you want him in compititions?
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Re: Re: stud dogs
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Originally posted by WattsFlatsRedbo
How can you even know how nice he is if he's not even a finished dog yet? Personally I don't breed any dogs until thier a finished hound in the woods and have allready proved they can win in competition. You don't really know what you have until then. IMO.
Also with some young males breeding can really mess with thier head. It did with my Jeb dog. He's got the females on his mind all the time now. Thats why he's retired. I was gonna knock him cold if I took him to another big hunt to just watch him follow the females around all night and barely get his mouth open enough to get struck and treed in behind them. Lol.
I know with my next stud dog in the future I won't "live" breed them until they are finished in the hunts and I don't want to campaign them anymore. Again JMO's.
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Your biggest problem is going to be able to get the pups in the right hands. Most people want pups from titled dogs and if you give them to people will they give the pup the time and training they need? If they don't, either because it was free or you can't get them in the right hands you have a problem. You can't keep them all and do them justice. If you are trying to get 100 pups out you better get them in hard hunters hands. Remember they will have to be hunted and campaigned and enough have to turn out. It's a lot easier said then done. GOOD LUCK!
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Re: Re: Re: stud dogs
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Originally posted by RED REBELS
thank you, this is what I was looking for!
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Have semen collected until u are ready to breed your dogs! then you will have it when you are satisfied with the male and you will always have it if something tragic happens!
I have spoke to a few "succesful" bredders who have said they believe pups from younger parents tend to turn out better.That being said these people had the ability to move the pups to the right people.i'm not disagreing with anything anybody has posted here. I just thaught I would mention this.
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Originally posted by tripple river
I have spoke to a few "succesful" bredders who have said they believe pups from younger parents tend to turn out better.That being said these people had the ability to move the pups to the right people.i'm not disagreing with anything anybody has posted here. I just thaught I would mention this.
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If my main goal was to see how many hunts I could win with him in his lifetime I wouldn't breed him because it causes some males to follow females in the woods rather than look for a coon. It causes some to get mean also.
If I wanted to try to make a stud dog out of him I would breed him young so he will have winning pups out of him and be known as a reproducer while he is still young enough to breed a female every day.
If your wanting to do a little of both, well then I would do a little of both. I know some will tell you he is too young to be a finished hound but if you can't tell they are something special well before they are two years old then they aren't.
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Originally posted by RED REBELS
not sure how the age of the parents can effect the offspring because the DNA is always the same but I guess just about anything is possible
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Dna stays the same , but the chromosomes don't stay as healthy ... they are damaged by stress , worming , etc ....
Like Travis said , if you're looking for a stud dog .. breed him young to a gyp that has proven she throws nice pups ... don't get down the road and invest in titles , advertising and such just to find out your stud is just another male dog ....
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Originally posted by Dirtdevil
Dna stays the same , but the chromosomes don't stay as healthy ... they are damaged by stress , worming , etc ....
Like Travis said , if you're looking for a stud dog .. breed him young to a gyp that has proven she throws nice pups ... don't get down the road and invest in titles , advertising and such just to find out your stud is just another male dog ....
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Just curious, how is breeding him to a walker helping the redbone breed? Also, what does big game have to do with cross breeding? A good hound is a good hound whether hunted on coon, cats, bear or any other tree game. If you have a real top notch dog and breed him to top notch females that share similar traits you have a good chance of getting good pups. Nothing is guaranteed though. I hear a lot of people breeding to a dog to cover up bad traits in their dog i.e. breed a poor tree dog to a good tree dog, etc. All that does is at best hide the bad trait for a while. Do your best to breed the dog to top quality females that don't have any big holes in them, the kind that you would be proud to show in the woods against tough competition. Also be sure the male doesn't have any big holes in him. Like others have mentioned most males after being bred change and it's usually not for the better. I hope this doesn't come off as condescending because it's not meant to be. Just curiosity as to what your goals are in breeding dogs? Best of luck to you.
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Originally posted by Kevin Jackson
Just curious, how is breeding him to a walker helping the redbone breed? Also, what does big game have to do with cross breeding? A good hound is a good hound whether hunted on coon, cats, bear or any other tree game. If you have a real top notch dog and breed him to top notch females that share similar traits you have a good chance of getting good pups. Nothing is guaranteed though. I hear a lot of people breeding to a dog to cover up bad traits in their dog i.e. breed a poor tree dog to a good tree dog, etc. All that does is at best hide the bad trait for a while. Do your best to breed the dog to top quality females that don't have any big holes in them, the kind that you would be proud to show in the woods against tough competition. Also be sure the male doesn't have any big holes in him. Like others have mentioned most males after being bred change and it's usually not for the better. I hope this doesn't come off as condescending because it's not meant to be. Just curiosity as to what your goals are in breeding dogs? Best of luck to you.
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Originally posted by The Seeker
Your biggest problem is going to be able to get the pups in the right hands. Most people want pups from titled dogs and if you give them to people will they give the pup the time and training they need? If they don't, either because it was free or you can't get them in the right hands you have a problem. You can't keep them all and do them justice. If you are trying to get 100 pups out you better get them in hard hunters hands. Remember they will have to be hunted and campaigned and enough have to turn out. It's a lot easier said then done. GOOD LUCK!
Genetics Stay The Same Whether The Dog Is 7months Or 10years Old. If You Have Big Plans For The Dog And He Is Really Looking Promising At Say Around 7-12 Months Old Go Ahead And Breed Him To See If His Pups Are Gonna Seem Decent. If Not, Send Him On Down The Line Before You Put A Few Years Into Hunting Him. Ive Seen This Done And I Feel That It Is A Smart Idea. Especially If You Are Planning On Using Him Mainly As A Stud.
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Lizz, you have set some high goals for yourself. I hope you achieve them. My registered red dogs do a good enough job on big game that I don't see the point in crossbreeding. That being said I don't have a problem with it either, to each their own. I've hunted with some real nice crossbred dogs. If you ever hunt big game with hounds you'll learn that consistency is just as important as it is in coon dogs if not more. If you achieve your goals you'll be ahead of many breeders in any breed. I'll be on the sidelines trying to learn something new. Good luck.
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Originally posted by droopy_dog2004
Genetics Stay The Same Whether The Dog Is 7months Or 10years Old. If You Have Big Plans For The Dog And He Is Really Looking Promising At Say Around 7-12 Months Old Go Ahead And Breed Him To See If His Pups Are Gonna Seem Decent. If Not, Send Him On Down The Line Before You Put A Few Years Into Hunting Him. Ive Seen This Done And I Feel That It Is A Smart Idea. Especially If You Are Planning On Using Him Mainly As A Stud.
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