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Posted by Dave1 on 11-16-2019 05:30 PM:

Need help understanding DNa

What do all the letters mean on the DNA analysis? If some letters are the same whats it mean and if there are blanks whats it mean? Thanks in advance

Posted by Dave1 on 11-16-2019 10:13 PM:

Anyone

Posted by Richard Edinger on 11-16-2019 10:22 PM:

Nothing, has nothing to do with traits

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Posted by yadkintar on 11-16-2019 11:29 PM:

I still don’t think in dogs the dna system can tell the difference in littermate brothers. To many stud dog owners had a back up plan if you know what I mean Vern.

Tar

Posted by Dave1 on 11-16-2019 11:35 PM:

I thought long time ago I saw on here where it was talked about. Where two of the same letters meant dominate traits. I did read that upper case letters were dominate and lower case were well I forget. To much for my brain. Tar yea I know what ya mean.

Posted by nitehunter2004 on 11-17-2019 12:32 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
I still don’t think in dogs the dna system can tell the difference in littermate brothers. To many stud dog owners had a back up plan if you know what I mean Vern.

Tar

If you had two litter mates, you did a dna on both, one named Dick the other named Rob, now you breed Rob for a few years with good results but he gets killed, so you decide to bred his liter mate brother Dick under Robs name and UKC/PKC numbers, do you really think Dicks dna will match Robs dna?

Posted by yadkintar on 11-17-2019 02:55 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by nitehunter2004
If you had two litter mates, you did a dna on both, one named Dick the other named Rob, now you breed Rob for a few years with good results but he gets killed, so you decide to bred his liter mate brother Dick under Robs name and UKC/PKC numbers, do you really think Dicks dna will match Robs dna?

I know of two different studs that it worked on but it might be more goof proof now.

And they are both in my dogs pedigrees multiple times so mine may or may not be right either.

Tar

Posted by thomasg on 11-17-2019 03:20 AM:

Re: Need help understanding DNa

quote:
Originally posted by Dave1
What do all the letters mean on the DNA analysis? If some letters are the same whats it mean and if there are bl anks whats it mean? Thanks in advance

Posted by Rip on 11-17-2019 03:28 AM:

They mean nothing aside from determining parentage. We don't know what the gene Z means. Does it mean hair color or leg length? Does it mean hair length? Who knows.

The letters just prove parentage these are just MARKERS they are not actual GENES. They are markers for parentage only.

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Posted by Redneck Mafia on 11-17-2019 03:38 AM:

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Originally posted by nitehunter2004
If you had two litter mates, you did a dna on both, one named Dick the other named Rob, now you breed Rob for a few years with good results but he gets killed, so you decide to bred his liter mate brother Dick under Robs name and UKC/PKC numbers, do you really think Dicks dna will match Robs dna?

Unless they were identical twins created by one embryo that split or a clone no they would absolutely not have the same DNA it is a genetic impossibility. Dogs have 78 chromosomes represented by 39 pairs one of which determines sex. Each carries hundreds of genes and each pair contains one chromosome inherited from the sire and one from the dam. Siblings have similar enough DNA to determine they have the same parents and even some matching pairs but they will not have identical DNA sequences.
"Back in the day" breeders never imagined DNA sequencing would even be possible who knows Sounder #1 may possibly be Ol Shep next door and we all have a little Ol Shep listed as Sounder #1 waaay back on those papers. Comparative DNA is only going to come by when both the sire and the dam are listed in the company that does the processing database. What you are given is your dogs individual DNA sequences regardless of who the sire and dam may or may not be. $kc does make both the sire and dam both have a completed DNA analysis to ensure that pups are from the pair (even if they don't match the papers are not changed they are just ineligible for certain programs) but here only sires are required to have it done and pups don't commonly submit their profile for analysis.
As for the sequence represented by the series of letter on our certificates I do know that after saving various ones from now 3 generations of these dogs there are certain ones consistently passed on from the sires side. What they mean I couldn't tell you lol. I still like comparing them all. I send a pic of most to a friend who has been collecting them and he has observed the same thing in many of his.

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Posted by Redneck Mafia on 11-17-2019 03:51 AM:

Speaking of all this I do think it would be interesting to start a thread where pics of DNA analysis are posted along with the pedigree of each dog maybe even a pic of the dog. We may not know how or what their sequence listed is but could be interesting and fun comparing them.

Posted by yadkintar on 11-17-2019 11:30 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
Speaking of all this I do think it would be interesting to start a thread where pics of DNA analysis are posted along with the pedigree of each dog maybe even a pic of the dog. We may not know how or what their sequence listed is but could be interesting and fun comparing them.

Been a long , long time since I had a stud dog where I either performanced it or SS where I had to DNA anything but they always told me that the more double letters like EE a dog had the better reproducer they were.

Tar

Posted by nitehunter2004 on 11-17-2019 01:46 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
I know of two different studs that it worked on but it might be more goof proof now.

And they are both in my dogs pedigrees multiple times so mine may or may not be right either.

Tar

If your conspiracy was/is true a smart Breeder would only need to dna one male and one female from the whole litter then register any offsprings produced to the male or female with the dna on record.
I have did the dna on a few liters and have never seen a dna match.

Posted by yadkintar on 11-17-2019 01:59 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by nitehunter2004
If your conspiracy was/is true a smart Breeder would only need to dna one male and one female from the whole litter then register any offsprings produced to the male or female with the dna on record.
I have did the dna on a few liters and have never seen a dna match.

Turn your hearing aids up and clean your glasses off I said back then ! But I might not even be talking about the dogs your thinking I am talking about. I seen things with my own eyes not hearsay. My circle is really small now at my choice.

Breed on big daddy !

Tar

Posted by nitehunter2004 on 11-17-2019 02:12 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
Turn your hearing aids up and clean your glasses off I said back then ! But I might not even be talking about the dogs your thinking I am talking about. I seen things with my own eyes not hearsay. My circle is really small now at my choice.

Breed on big daddy !

Tar

I have no idea what your spinning, I’m talking about dna not falsifying paper’s, maybe you could start a thread.

And I’m thinking everything wasn’t by your choice but maybe your actions!

Posted by yadkintar on 11-17-2019 02:24 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by nitehunter2004
I have no idea what your spinning, I’m talking about dna not falsifying paper’s, maybe you could start a thread.

And I’m thinking everything wasn’t by your choice but maybe your actions!

Nope I am talking about DNA !! And there was a way around it called $$$ the more that dog made of $$$ the more they looked over certain things the right money maker comes along again it might happen again. Buuuuuuuuut I got two dogs both ain’t worth a nickel and when they are gone I am going to get a poodle.

Now I have seen some of the top stud dogs DNA profiles and they had a bunch of double letters like EE and AA.

Tar

Posted by nitehunter2004 on 11-17-2019 02:38 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
Nope I am talking about DNA !! And there was a way around it called $$$ the more that dog made of $$$ the more they looked over certain things the right money maker comes along again it might happen again. Buuuuuuuuut I got two dogs both ain’t worth a nickel and when they are gone I am going to get a poodle.

Now I have seen some of the top stud dogs DNA profiles and they had a bunch of double letters like EE and AA.

Tar

So your saying UKC an PKC knowingly lied to their customers and falsified dog papers for a profit? For Money they was making anyway.

Posted by Richard Lambert on 11-17-2019 03:45 PM:

Whatever happened to Team Player Tar?

Posted by Dave1 on 11-17-2019 05:01 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
Nope I am talking about DNA !! And there was a way around it called $$$ the more that dog made of $$$ the more they looked over certain things the right money maker comes along again it might happen again. Buuuuuuuuut I got two dogs both ain’t worth a nickel and when they are gone I am going to get a poodle.

Now I have seen some of the top stud dogs DNA profiles and they had a bunch of double letters like EE and AA.

Tar

I heard the same thing about double letters.

Posted by Dave1 on 11-17-2019 05:03 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
Speaking of all this I do think it would be interesting to start a thread where pics of DNA analysis are posted along with the pedigree of each dog maybe even a pic of the dog. We may not know how or what their sequence listed is but could be interesting and fun comparing them.

I agree would be really interesting

Posted by yadkintar on 11-17-2019 05:13 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Whatever happened to Team Player Tar?

I was on a different team back then. Circle had different players in it. And $$$$ talked and bs walked. But none of that means nothing now.

Tar

Posted by Dave1 on 11-17-2019 05:25 PM:

Tar
Did u ever hear if there were blanks on the DNA if that was anything

Posted by yadkintar on 11-17-2019 05:36 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Dave1
Tar
Did u ever hear if there were blanks on the DNA if that was anything

I am digging in all my drawers as I speak lol. I am trying to find my deacon dogs profile he had a bunch of double letters he had 81 pups 11 ntch 4 grntch not no record but pretty good and a lot of just good coon treers. I ain’t got a clue what the blanks would mean unless they have a scale for that particular gene and if fell beneath the limit. I will keep looking and see if I can find it.

Tar

Posted by Sawyer Hortin on 11-17-2019 06:02 PM:

Id say there is no matching letters in tars dna. Lol unless doubled up for babbling gene.

Posted by yadkintar on 11-17-2019 06:17 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Sawyer Hortin
Id say there is no matching letters in tars dna. Lol unless doubled up for babbling gene.

Dutch, German,Indian and Cajun hows that for a mix lol.

Tar

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