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Stay or Leave (minus or scratch)

Looking for opinions based on your hunting experience. Would you rather a dog that leaves if something breaks out or one that stays and risks getting scratched?

Here is a scenario that has happened to me.

4 dog cast. Three dogs treed for 4+ minutes with no problems....then a late arrival shows up and jumps on one of the three....when you arrive, two are balled up...do know aggressor, but you can’t prove it. Both dogs are scratched.

Would you rather your dog leave, take minus and move on in the cast or stand their ground? I know some back up and all that, but that isn’t always the case. One dog defending themself, but gets eliminated.

Any way....thanks for your thoughts

Tim

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I look at it the same way I was raised. Don’t start anything but don’t let anyone walk over you . I want mine to stay

Teach them when the lights coming to stop it. Bright as these lights are well you know.



Do your breaking at home.


Tar

Tarbaby, how do you break them at home if they aren't the aggressor?

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Tarbaby, how do you break them at home if they aren't the aggressor?

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So if you have a mean dog DON'T stop taking him to the hunts just break him from getting caught?

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Originally posted by 100%hunter
So if you have a mean dog DON'T stop taking him to the hunts just break him from getting caught?

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Are fights common in your areas? I don’t believe a rough dog is near as common as it once was.

No we are out of the loop for major hunts. All of us hunt pups so one that is unruly don’t live long.


Tar

Mr tar

I agree its a matter of time until you draw a aggressive dog BUT would't it be as easy to train a dog to tree back off the tree as it would to stop fighting when he/she sees a light coming?

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Originally posted by 100%hunter
I agree its a matter of time until you draw a aggressive dog BUT would't it be as easy to train a dog to tree back off the tree as it would to stop fighting when he/she sees a light coming?

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Thanks for all the comments. I really enjoy everyone’s thoughts. I do not believe I should try and break a dog from defending itself. Our UKC rules just changed to prevent a dog from any reward for arriving late to a tree that they had nothing to do with....so why should I penalize my dog for Treeing a coon, just because a dog came in on her and tried to run her off. Really sucks when you walk in there and they are tied up after all that time and have a coon.....then you go home.

To be honest, makes you not even want to go to another hunt.....but then not only is the dog beating you, but the handler/owner beats you.

I love the other dog’s owner responses though.
I’ve never seen my dog ever be mean. Lol. Yeah right

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Tim Greene

I hate a mean dog, will not tolerate a mean dog period. I want my dog to stay treed and fight back if attacked by another dog. I will take my scratch if needed, but I do not want my dog to leave their tree. I will not let any man bully me without fighting back, nor do I want my dogs to be bullied without fighting back. TRUTH is we have to take what we have got, some dogs will fight back and some dogs will not fight back, it's just not what we want, it's what we get. Breaking mean dogs to a light is bullcrap, mean dogs need a permanent fix. Anyone who hunts a known mean dog with other dogs needs to be banned from the hunts. Dave

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mr richards

I agree 100% if a dog gets scratched for fighting i think the owner/ handler should get a strike against him/her and just like the dog they are out dog out for good after 3 owner/handler out for one year from last strike after 3 jmo.

100%hunter

You got that right, most everyone knows what kind of dog they have. You know if your dog is mean and if you choose to hunt a mean dog in the hunts, you should be the one getting banned. If your dog gets scratched 3 times in one year, it's not just bad luck, there is a good reason, it's mean period. I understand any dog may fight back and get scratched 1 time, but multiply times getting scratched proves a dog is aggressive. No hunter worth a nickel would knowingly hunt a mean dog with anyone elses dog. We have had more good young dogs ruined by mean dogs that the owner knew was mean and had no business hunting them or did not care who's dog they messed up. It's the owners fault and they should be banned. Dave

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Originally posted by Dave Richards
You got that right, most everyone knows what kind of dog they have. You know if your dog is mean and if you choose to hunt a mean dog in the hunts, you should be the one getting banned. If your dog gets scratched 3 times in one year, it's not just bad luck, there is a good reason, it's mean period. I understand any dog may fight back and get scratched 1 time, but multiply times getting scratched proves a dog is aggressive. No hunter worth a nickel would knowingly hunt a mean dog with anyone elses dog. We have had more good young dogs ruined by mean dogs that the owner knew was mean and had no business hunting them or did not care who's dog they messed up. It's the owners fault and they should be banned. Dave

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They better stay treed under ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. I don’t care if it’s rough dogs, Coyotes, wild hogs or the devil himself when I tree mine in I expect to handle him every time. I would rather take my collars off of his carcass than take a tree minus because he was a coward.

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Originally posted by Team Mafia 2
They better stay treed under ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. I don’t care if it’s rough dogs, Coyotes, wild hogs or the devil himself when I tree mine in I expect to handle him every time. I would rather take my collars off of his carcass than take a tree minus because he was a coward.

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Originally posted by Team Mafia 2
They better stay treed under ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. I don’t care if it’s rough dogs, Coyotes, wild hogs or the devil himself when I tree mine in I expect to handle him every time. I would rather take my collars off of his carcass than take a tree minus because he was a coward.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by shadinc
[B]We're raising and training dogs to trail and tree coons. There should never be a reason for a dog to have to prove he's not a coward. [/B


Do you have kids? If someone starts bullying your son pushing him around or hitting him what did you tell them to do. I have no kids but I know how I was raised. I was taught to stand up and defend myself. The same applies to a dog. I don’t want one that’s just mean and starts crap all the time but when one parks I want them to stay.

I just rather go to the Dairy Queen and have a chocolate dipped cone.



Tar

Johnnyreb

You know that us old Tennessee boys don't like to be pushed and shoved around. I will give anyone all the respect they deserve, but don't go trying to bully me around unless you are ready for a fight. I hate a mean dog, but I expect and want my dogs to defend themselves, and I will not correct them for taking their part. Woe unto my dog that starts a fight, they will get corrected by me. Dave

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Tar

Lol. You jnow that you are just like most of us, you love seeing a mean dog jump on the wrong dog and get its behind whipped, just like the school bully that tries the wrong kid and gets a whooping he deserves. Especially that sucker who tries to take over another dogs tree with fang action, only to find out that it's not the ALPHA dog it thought it was. Dave

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Story time lol

I probly told this one before back when we had judges for champion cast. I pleasure hunted regular with a little dog called troubles all the time face barken , hide pinchen little pain in the butt I had a dog called booger a lot down here will remember didn’t have a mean bone. Father in law told the man one of these nights booger is going to get tired of that and just like that it was on like donkey Kong booger shook him a loose and he never done him like that again.



Well on to the hunt I was the judge troubles drew a big Black and Tan named sun valley butch. Troubles weighed about 45 lbs when we got to the tree ole butch had troubles whole head in his mouth still treeing all 4 of troubles feet was off the ground. Well troubles withdrew they asked me what now ?


I said cut um loose boys lol.


Tar

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Originally posted by johnny reb
[QUOTE]Originally posted by shadinc
[B]We're raising and training dogs to trail and tree coons. There should never be a reason for a dog to have to prove he's not a coward. [/B


Do you have kids? If someone starts bullying your son pushing him around or hitting him what did you tell them to do. I have no kids but I know how I was raised. I was taught to stand up and defend myself. The same applies to a dog. I don’t want one that’s just mean and starts crap all the time but when one parks I want them to stay.

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