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Posted by beardenrents on 02-07-2013 01:54 PM:

question about Chritianity

How many of you are attending a church where the GRACE of God is being taught and preached? We have been talking about this at work lately. It seem that many preachers are still preaching LAW instead of GRACE. Which leads to peope judging others and still trying to work for salvation, among other issues. What are some thoughts?

Posted by CHRIS PACE on 02-07-2013 01:59 PM:

Re: question about Chritianity

quote:
Originally posted by beardenrents
How many of you are attending a church where the GRACE of God is being taught and preached? We have been talking about this at work lately. It seem that many preachers are still preaching LAW instead of GRACE. Which leads to peope judging others and still trying to work for salvation, among other issues. What are some thoughts?

Religion has no place in politics.

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Posted by beardenrents on 02-07-2013 02:02 PM:

not US law

I should have clarified. I was talking about Mosaic Law. The law that the Phairisees and Saducees tried to live up to. The Grace of God provided by the blood of Jesus paid for all our sins. But some preachers are still trying to hold members to that standard set by Mosaic Law.

Posted by berger on 02-07-2013 02:04 PM:

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quote:
Originally posted by CHRIS PACE
Religion has no place in politics.

I disagree:
politics has no place in religion; Christianity has a place in politics!

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Posted by CHRIS PACE on 02-07-2013 02:08 PM:

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quote:
Originally posted by berger
I disagree:
politics has no place in religion; Christianity has a place in politics!

Read the Bill of Rights.

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Posted by berger on 02-07-2013 02:53 PM:

Bill of rights has nothing to do with it.
Love
Peace
Thou shalt not lie
Thou shalt not steal
Help those who are less fortunate who are willing to try and help themselves
Thou shalt not be lazy ( the devils workshop)
So what is wrong with these christianity methods above and why would you not want your politican to adhere to them?
If the politicians used a little of these christianity methods the whole world would be a better place to live.

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Posted by brushrunretiree on 02-07-2013 03:32 PM:

BEAR, YOU SEEM TO BE REVERENT. WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON MODERN DAY PREACHERS THAT THINK THEY HAVE WORKING HOURS?? THE ONES WE KEEP GETTING TRY TO TELL US THEIR DAY ENDS AT 5 O'CLOCCK. THE MESSAGE THEY'RE SUPPOSE TO BE PREACHING HAS NO TIME LINES. WHENEVER SOMEONE HAS NEEDS FOR A PREACHER, THEY NEED TO GO AND MINISTER UNTO THEM IN MY OPINION!! WE HAD AN OLD TIME PREACHER MARRY MY WHOLE FAMILY. MY WIFE AND I AND THREE DAUGHTERS. BY THE WAY, EVERYONE IS STILL MARRIED. MY WIFE AND I, 43 YRS. OUR DAUGHTERS RANGE FROM TEN TO FIFTEEN YEARS. ALL ARE IN CHURCH WHERE THEY BELONG.

Posted by beardenrents on 02-07-2013 03:48 PM:

i believe

like you do. I am preaching at a church right now. They asked me to be their pastor. Its for no pay. I preach because God has called me too. I told them that at this point, I can not be a pastor. I said that I will fill the pulpit but pastoring is a full time job. I feel that a true pastor should be able to fill a fulltime roll and be paid as such. Pastoring is a 24/7 job no matter day or night. The reason our churches aren't reaching out and working is because the pastors that are bi-vocational can't put the time into the church that they need or want to. I am talking about this "problem" with our SBC director of missions and other preacher/pastor friends now. I pray that God will use me in full time ministry one day. I believe that he will but it will be in his time.

Posted by Harley Smith on 02-07-2013 09:36 PM:

Re: i believe

quote:
Originally posted by beardenrents
like you do. I am preaching at a church right now. They asked me to be their pastor. Its for no pay. I preach because God has called me too. I told them that at this point, I can not be a pastor. I said that I will fill the pulpit but pastoring is a full time job. I feel that a true pastor should be able to fill a fulltime roll and be paid as such. Pastoring is a 24/7 job no matter day or night. The reason our churches aren't reaching out and working is because the pastors that are bi-vocational can't put the time into the church that they need or want to. I am talking about this "problem" with our SBC director of missions and other preacher/pastor friends now. I pray that God will use me in full time ministry one day. I believe that he will but it will be in his time.

I believe that desire comes from God and it will come to pass

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Posted by T.Beyer on 02-07-2013 11:07 PM:

Re: i believe

quote:
Originally posted by beardenrents
like you do. I am preaching at a church right now. They asked me to be their pastor. Its for no pay. I preach because God has called me too. I told them that at this point, I can not be a pastor. I said that I will fill the pulpit but pastoring is a full time job. I feel that a true pastor should be able to fill a fulltime roll and be paid as such. Pastoring is a 24/7 job no matter day or night. The reason our churches aren't reaching out and working is because the pastors that are bi-vocational can't put the time into the church that they need or want to. I am talking about this "problem" with our SBC director of missions and other preacher/pastor friends now. I pray that God will use me in full time ministry one day. I believe that he will but it will be in his time.

This is exactly how I feel about my current position. I am not pastoring, I am our associate pastor, but long to serve full time. I am currently holding down a job, and eagerly look forward to the day when i can walk away and follow after Jesus "Full Time"! Not only as a follower, but a full time pastor.

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Posted by steve pickett on 02-08-2013 05:39 PM:

Re: Re: Re: question about Chritianity

quote:
Originally posted by berger
I disagree:
politics has no place in religion; Christianity has a place in politics!

I DISAGREE TO,JMO, THATS WHAT IS WRONG WITH POLITICS GOD HAS BEEN LEFT OUT!!!

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Posted by trackdriver on 02-08-2013 10:31 PM:

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Originally posted by CHRIS PACE
Religion has no place in politics.

Agreed!! My opinion is christianity has been picked, pulled apart,and rounded off to fit the mood of the country or groups of people thereforth making it weak. God doesn't have a welfare program you gotta work for it so it's starts one person at a time,not the one your fingers are pointing at, but the one in the mirror.

Posted by beardenrents on 02-08-2013 11:23 PM:

Folks

What I'm talking about is preaching that still holds people in bondage to Mosaic law. Sin is sin Jesus died to pay that debt for us. His blood covers us. As southern baptists we have been taught all the things you can't do but not how to live through grace. I wasn't talking about our government and churches. But how to live in Gods grace and mercy.

Posted by trackdriver on 02-08-2013 11:31 PM:

Re: Folks

quote:
Originally posted by beardenrents
What I'm talking about is preaching that still holds people in bondage to Mosaic law. Sin is sin Jesus died to pay that debt for us. His blood covers us. As southern baptists we have been taught all the things you can't do but not how to live through grace. I wasn't talking about our government and churches. But how to live in Gods grace and mercy.

Sorry about that beard.In my opinion you're still in bonage when you don't practice what you preach reffering to christianity.

Posted by longshot on 02-09-2013 03:26 PM:

Re: question about Chritianity

quote:
Originally posted by beardenrents
How many of you are attending a church where the GRACE of God is being taught and preached?

Mine does... Grace is what it's ALL about and if/when they stop preaching it, that will be my last day in that church.

and you're right, many do cling to Mosaic Law and try to justify themselves by it. Big waist of time and effort when we full access to the Son of God.

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Posted by Floyd leopards on 02-09-2013 04:18 PM:

Re: Re: Re: question about Chritianity

quote:
Originally posted by berger
I disagree:
politics has no place in religion; Christianity has a place in politics!

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Posted by southern hunter on 02-10-2013 03:07 PM:

two questions for yall

1. when is a preacher a preacher? 2. was u forgiven for your pas
t,future,and present sins?

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Posted by longshot on 02-10-2013 03:25 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by southern hunter
two questions for yall

1. when is a preacher a preacher? 2. was u forgiven for your pas
t,future,and present sins?

1. Technically all Christians are Preachers as we are all called to the great commission ' go into all the world and preach the Gospel".... But most Preachers by trade are Ordained by a church at some point as their Spiritual leader , thus making it official..

2. Yes absolutely a Christian is forgiven past, present and future sins... However , obviously not every denomination believes that way. We just had a LENGTHY disccussion about that very topic and if you care to read all the details on that subject , take time to read all the pages of this thread :
Click here: http://forums.ukcdogs.com/showthrea...eadid=928287792 ..... 4 pages long but well worth reading...

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Posted by Jason Baldwin on 02-10-2013 03:53 PM:

As for me, Im saved by the blood of Jesus and his wonderful and precious grace and forgiveness. I felt his Spirit draw me and I accepted him and his sacrifice and redemption. I am redeemed back to God the Father through Jesus Christ and his awesome Grace and Love. Yall Pray for me that I will continue to walk in the Light and continue to grow and learn and submit my will to his will. Love yall lots ! Be safe in the woods !

Posted by steve pickett on 02-10-2013 09:15 PM:

by Grace we are Saved,we should want to do the work that God has for us to tell others,if this was not what he wants he would have taken us up when we were saved...

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Posted by skeets on 02-10-2013 10:09 PM:

romans 8:2 for the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Posted by southern hunter on 02-10-2013 10:42 PM:

?? Does our forgiveness for past,future,and present sin require repentance daily or just the one time we repented when the lord dealt with our heart and we accepted him as our persona savior?

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Posted by longshot on 02-10-2013 10:55 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by southern hunter
?? Does our forgiveness for past,future,and present sin require repentance daily or just the one time we repented when the lord dealt with our heart and we accepted him as our persona savior?

As I said above, some denominations will answer that question differently, but I'm happy to explain what I believe to you.

Your forgiveness unto Salvation is required only once and you are a Child of God now and forever. End of subject.

But, your repentance of sin is ongoing because there are severe consequences for sin and also loss of rewards in the next life. Those consequences can and will include a host of problems but NOT a loss of Salvation..

That is what I believe and I recognize some disagree. The subject is well covered by both sides in the link I provided above along with verses pertaining to the subject..

It is good that you seek truth and ask questions. I encourage you to dig into God's word and seek truth there also. God Bless.

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Posted by oklared on 02-10-2013 11:34 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by longshot
As I said above, some denominations will answer that question differently, but I'm happy to explain what I believe to you.

Your forgiveness unto Salvation is required only once and you are a Child of God now and forever. End of subject.

But, your repentance of sin is ongoing because there are severe consequences for sin and also loss of rewards in the next life. Those consequences can and will include a host of problems but NOT a loss of Salvation..

That is what I believe and I recognize some disagree. The subject is well covered by both sides in the link I provided above along with verses pertaining to the subject..

It is good that you seek truth and ask questions. I encourage you to dig into God's word and seek truth there also. God Bless.

I AGREE BUT JUST FOR DISCUSION SAKE WHAT IF A SAVED PERSON ADS TO OR TAKES AWAY FROM THE BOOK OF REV. LAST CH.

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Posted by Rip on 02-10-2013 11:57 PM:

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Originally posted by CHRIS PACE
Read the Bill of Rights.

Chris yes read the Bill of Rights, there is a separation of STATE from CHURCH but absolutely positively NOT a separation of Church from State.

Matter of fact many states had official religions for a very long time.

The Bill of Rights isn't to keep Christians out of gubment, it's to keep gubment out of the church.

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