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Posted by redneck_girl on 04-23-2008 11:40 PM:

Questions on New Breed Standards

I received my CB issue today. As always I quickly run through and check out the Event winners and Stud Ads. Then I go back and carefully read it page for page. Thank goodness I did. I may have missed the topic that I'm about to question. Before I go on, let me please make it clear in no way shape or form am I ridiculing, talking ill off or bad mouthing any hound or it's owner. I simply don't know anything about this breed other than what I have just read and being a Bench Show Judge for UKC I must investigate to further my own personal knowledge.

Head:
(A) The plane of the skull and muzzle are 'parallel'. Does this mean as if you look at a pick up truck roof and bed rail?
(B) First it says the muzzle is joined to the skull by a definate stop. But then in the next paragraph it says the skull tapers slightly to the muzzle. Am I missing something?

EYES: Leopard spotted dogs may have one or both wall eyes or blue eyes. What is a wall eye? I know what a walleye is and it goes good with cole slaw. I have no idea what wall eye is.

TAIL: The tail is set low, and may be any length. Does that mean cropped also?

COAT: There are two layers to the coat. A rough outer coat and a fine wooly under coat. As Judges are we to check to make sure the dog has an under coat?

HEIGHT AND WEIGHT: The standards gives the WEIGHT standard. 50-70 for males and 45-65 females. I haven't found where it says what the HEIGHT is...?

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Posted by Laurie Soutar on 04-24-2008 12:27 AM:

Re: Questions on New Breed Standards

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Originally posted by redneck_girl
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Head:
(A) The plane of the skull and muzzle are 'parallel'. Does this mean as if you look at a pick up truck roof and bed rail?

Yes - Viewed from the side, the top of the skull and the top of the muzzle are parallel lines, separated by the stop.

quote:
(B) First it says the muzzle is joined to the skull by a definate stop. But then in the next paragraph it says the skull tapers slightly to the muzzle. Am I missing something?

This is about the width of the head - it narrow slightly from the sides of the skull, through the cheeks, to the muzzle.

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EYES: Leopard spotted dogs may have one or both wall eyes or blue eyes. What is a wall eye? I know what a walleye is and it goes good with cole slaw. I have no idea what wall eye is.

Wall eye (also called china eye) is a very light blue, and may or may not cover the whole iris - sometimes you'll get just a pie shaped piece of the eye that's blue, sometimes half, sometimes the same thing. Catahoula's have this kind of eye also.

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TAIL: The tail is set low, and may be any length. Does that mean cropped also?

Not positive about that, but I would take it mean that tail length is not important, that a dog with a naturally shorter tail should not be penalized. I think if they were talking about a natural bob or a docked tail it would say so.

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COAT: There are two layers to the coat. A rough outer coat and a fine wooly under coat. As Judges are we to check to make sure the dog has an under coat?

You're not going to see an under coat in the summer, but you should still be able to tell if the dog has that type of coat.

quote:
HEIGHT AND WEIGHT: The standards gives the WEIGHT standard. 50-70 for males and 45-65 females. I haven't found where it says what the HEIGHT is...?

That would have to come from the breed club - they should do a chart showing comparable heights/weights -it is hard for judges to estimate the weight on a breed they are not very familiar with.
Hope this helps!
Laurie

Posted by redneck_girl on 04-24-2008 02:37 AM:

Thanks Laurie!

Posted by dual walkers on 04-24-2008 03:39 AM:

standards

hi mona its steve randolph look at the pictures you took at ashland of tammy thats as close as you will get to breed standard how are you guys doing missed you at walker days did you get those picts done yet just wondering steve

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Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 04-24-2008 03:51 AM:

26 should be around 65 lbs.27 70-75

Posted by anscox on 04-24-2008 04:59 AM:

About the tail thing...

A long time friend of mine has raised cur's since he was a boy and his daddy hunted. All of their dogs have ALWAYS had a cropped/bobbed tail. I've never seen them own one that had one, and when I was younger I just assumed they were born that way. It wasn't until I was working for a vet that I actually saw some with their tails... wondering if this is just owner preference, breed standard for another breed, or what?

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Posted by perry on 04-24-2008 12:19 PM:

under coat will be there year around. I have no idea where these standards came from. They are different from what our association has. Probably much more detail than the association has. We are working on these. Tail, they come full tail and bob tailed naturally. Please remember these dogs have spent very little time on the bench. Emphasis has been put on performance in the woods, hence the lack of details called out in in the standards. I am not saying attention to confirmation etc was neglected. It was just not addressed in the written standards. We hope to get this updated. Thanks Perry

Posted by redneck_girl on 04-24-2008 01:23 PM:

Re: standards

quote:
Originally posted by dual walkers
hi mona its steve randolph look at the pictures you took at ashland of tammy thats as close as you will get to breed standard how are you guys doing missed you at walker days did you get those picts done yet just wondering steve

STEVE!!! Where ya been? I PM'd and e-mailed you the photos. You must not have received them. I wondered why you didn't respond!?! GEEEZ. I'll resend them when I get home. Hope to see ya soon....Mona

Posted by Christy on 04-24-2008 01:53 PM:

WALL EYED DOGS...OR AT LEAST JUST THE EYES...

THIS COLORATION IS ALSO CALLED MARBLING.

I THINK IT WILL BE NEAT TO SEE THESE NEW HOUNDS AT SHOWS AND HUNTS! I HAVE ALWAYS LOVED THE LOOK OF THEM, BUT HAVE NEVER ACTUALLY SEEN ONE IN PERSON, THAT I COULD TOUCH.

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